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I asked this in another thread, but thought it might be better to start over-

I read some years ago that the first car ever built (either vin 0001, or a prototype) was in the US and due to some governmental regulation had to either be scrapped or sent out of the US. Honda Japan did not want or have a place for the car, so the fate seemed doomed for this car. I never heard what happened to it- Does anyone know?
 
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It WOULD be GREAT to own the number 001 car. I myself have 064 and am proud to have a car that came of the manufacturers line that early !!
 
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Bart Geerts said:
Nice thread with all the comments etc... :(

I don't have a clue what has been written down here before, so I'm not going to make a statement on who is right or who isn't, but I understand the reason of this last thread. It WOULD be GREAT to own the number 001 car. I myself have 064 and am proud to have a car that came of the manufacturers line that early !!

Wow! #64 would be the 2nd car sold to the US public I think. (Someone correct me if I am wrong). That is very cool. Gerald I think missed my point entirely, and maybe I am an idiot, and people are filling his PM box with comments about me as we speak, but I was actually curious to know what happened to this car. I am not sure if it was #0001, or did not have a true VIN at all. I don't think Honda took it back to Japan for display in their collection, and this makes sense as the article I read said they did not want it. Unless they have it in storage, or in another country (besides the US) it must have been destroyed per the article. I looked at Honda Japan's Collection, and I did not see it.

http://world.honda.com/collection-hall/search/n_4_all.html
 
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Don't know if this applies, but in the book 'All Corvettes are red', the first batch of cars (which are theoretically accounted as the first vins) are manufacturing and fitment shake-downs, never intended for market consumption. Whether Acura does this too is anyone's guess. Or at least all I am capable of. Guessing that is:D
 
Well, I tried to PM Gerald but I kept getting a busy signal...

FWIW, I also have keen interest in other significant cars including Jags, Cobras, etc... There IS a great value associated with the first unit produced of any Milestone car. I have had the good fortune to meet a gentleman in S. Florida who has one of the most significant collections of Jaguars. In his stable are a couple of "firsts" of the various models. These examples would fetch a premium over later VIN's in a competitive buying (auction) situation. This may or may not be true today on an NSX, but 25-30 years from now it would.

I would be interested in the answer to the question.
 
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Shumdit said:
Wow! #64 would be the 2nd car sold to the US public I think. (Someone correct me if I am wrong). That is very cool. Gerald I think missed my point entirely, and maybe I am an idiot, and people are filling his PM box with comments about me as we speak, but I was actually curious to know what happened to this car. I am not sure if it was #0001, or did not have a true VIN at all. I don't think Honda took it back to Japan for display in their collection, and this makes sense as the article I read said they did not want it. Unless they have it in storage, or in another country (besides the US) it must have been destroyed per the article. I looked at Honda Japan's Collection, and I did not see it.

http://world.honda.com/collection-hall/search/n_4_all.html

I'm actually in Belgium and it's a HONDA NSX, you know the one with normal power, better than those slow ACURA's ;) ;) , the ones that don't fall down below VTEC RPM when shifting gears :D :D :D
 
The VIN stickers was a good question. I found the answer in the faq.
I only wish Honda had put VIN stickers on the body panels from the start.
 
Shumdit said:
Wow! #64 would be the 2nd car sold to the US public I think. (Someone correct me if I am wrong).
Bart is in Belgium. I assume his car has a European VIN and thus is not part of the U.S. VIN sequence. I believe there are several European VIN sequences, that have VINs that end in 0T00xxxx, 0T10xxxx, or 0T30xxxx. I have no idea what production number a European car whose VIN ends in 0Tx00064 would be (how many were pre-production), or how that would compare with the U.S. VIN sequence.

6 NSXs were sold in Europe in calendar 1990 and 521 in calendar 1991, according to Honda.
 
nsxtasy said:
Bart is in Belgium. I assume his car has a European VIN and thus is not part of the U.S. VIN sequence. I believe there are several European VIN sequences, that have VINs that end in 0T00xxxx, 0T10xxxx, or 0T30xxxx. I have no idea what production number a European car whose VIN ends in 0Tx00064 would be, or how that would compare with the U.S. VIN sequence.

I have to check on the NSX vin numbers here with HONDA EUROPE in AALST (Belgium), but since all NSX'es are handmade in Japan It would be strange to me that the vinnumbers are different for different parts in the world, normally these vinnumbers depend on the factory(country) that they were build... My car was on the road the first time in februari 1991, so we can call that very early !!
 
Someone used to work at American Honda told me that it was disassembled and destroyed in American Honda, Torrance, California. I cannot confirm this.
 
http://www.nsxprime.com/Events/2000/2000Fiesta/nsx_fiesta_2000.htm

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Bart Geerts said:
I have to check on the NSX vin numbers here with HONDA EUROPE in AALST (Belgium), but since all NSX'es are handmade in Japan It would be strange to me that the vinnumbers are different for different parts in the world, normally these vinnumbers depend on the factory(country) that they were build...
No, there is a different VIN sequence for each market (although a "market" can consist of more than one country). For example:

U.S. VIN numbers for the 1991 model year go in sequence MT000001, MT000002, etc. (but the numbers prior to MT000063 were for pre-production cars). Subsequent model years change the "M" to another letter, and start over at 000001.

Canadian VIN numbers for 1991 go in sequence MT800001, MT800002, etc. And they DO overlap U.S. VIN numbers, so there can be a Canadian car with MT800100 and a U.S. car with MT000100. There is no relationship between the two - so, for example, the '91 Canadian cars go up to around MT000380* or so, and the '91 U.S. cars go up to around MT003200 or so. Like the U.S. sequence, subsequent model years change the "M" to another letter, and start over at 000001.

European VIN numbers do not use the 10th digit to designate the model year, since the model year in Europe is determined by when the car is first sold, not by when it is built. The 10th digit is always zero. So therefore European VIN numbers go in sequence 0T000001, 0T000002, etc, and do NOT start over at 0T000001 with each model year.

All NSXs are made at the same plant, in Tochigi.

Bart Geerts said:
My car was on the road the first time in februari 1991, so we can call that very early !!
If your car was built in February 1991 - the U.S. NSXs show the build date on a sticker on the driver's side door jamb - that would put it in the middle of the 1991 production year, not particularly early. My car is about a third of the way through the U.S. VIN sequence, was built in October 1990, and I bought it in December 1990.

*EDIT: Changed this figure to accommodate Tony (see post below).
 
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xsn said:

Are you the guy who wrote this article? If so, it would appear the car in question is back in Japan, and therefore has not been destroyed. If this is true, I wonder why it is not on display. I mean, look at some of the fairly common cars, motors, lawnmowers, on display there, but not the first ever flagship car?
If the car is in fact back in Japan, that answers the main question, and restores my faith that Honda has not lost their mind.
 
nsxtasy said:
No, there is a different VIN sequence for each market (although a "market" can consist of more than one country).

Thx for this. I have worked here in Belgium with HONDA at a local dealership. HONDA doesn't have many secrets for me anymore, just the NSX, do you know that not all HONDA dealers were alowed to sell NSX'es here, or even maintain them !

It is true that the vinnumbers here are all sequential, and if a car has been produced in 1991 but not been sold as late as per example 1995, we can not know the year of manufacory or you must know how the vinnumbers work, it's coded. Off course this 91 - 95 example is way off, but a car sold in feb 91 could have been build in 90...
 
Bart Geerts said:
My car was on the road the first time in februari 1991, so we can call that very early !!

Hi Bart,

FYI, my car was on the road the first time the 1st of January 1991 !

I am 100% sure that my car (VIN T00112) has been built in 1990 ! :D
 
Someone used to work at American Honda told me that it was disassembled and destroyed in American Honda, Torrance, California. I cannot confirm this.

I am referring to the pre-production unit, not the 1st production unit.
 
Shumdit said:
Are you the guy who wrote this article? If so, it would appear the car in question is back in Japan, and therefore has not been destroyed. If this is true, I wonder why it is not on display. I mean, look at some of the fairly common cars, motors, lawnmowers, on display there, but not the first ever flagship car?
If the car is in fact back in Japan, that answers the main question, and restores my faith that Honda has not lost their mind.

I am not the one who wrote the article --- I just remembered reading it when I saw your post. The car is on display at the Honda facility in Japan.
 
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