NSXTASY_MD said:
This is where our core arguments differ.....by the time Senna made the change to Williams-Renault, he was in NO way at an advantage ride/team wise to Schumacher (in fact just the opposite!).... To say Schumacher is a more talented driver than Senna is simply A JOKE!(not even close) And I wouldn't even dignify that one with a response...just talk to anyone "in the know" for your answers as there's just too much to type on that, LOL. In fact, Senna was always specifically praised and noted for both his unbelievable skills in making an unperfect, shaky car, look good and fast threw sheer driving skill...as he had less than perfect cars in MOST of his career* (except the Mclaren Hondas)...and also his simply unbeatable abilities in the wet* My discussion here is about the "new talent" like Montoya vs. MS...
I never said that Schumacher was better than Senna, but he is close to , if not the equal of the latter. As for being "in the know", are you one of those people? Have you ever road-raced competitively (I have, from '90-'94)? Have you ever seen an F1 race live? I have, USGP 2000, and on that occasion Schumacher braked into turn one
20 METERS later than anyone, including Mika Hakkinen, which is all the more amazing considering the short braking distances of carbon brakes.
And how can you say that Senna had less than perfect cars most of his career? 6 out of his 10 full seasons were at Mclaren, and that yielded three championships. And the year he died, Damon Hill, of all people, nearly won the championship, so you can't say that his Williams Renault was inferior to Schumacher's significantly underpowered Benetton-Ford.
As for Senna's wet abilities, the fact is, Schumacher has similar abilities as he has won more rain races than anyone else since Senna. Even his first race win (again, Spa '92) was in the rain against Senna, etc. But let's return to your flawed discussion about "new talent", particularly Montoya and his rain abilities. At the '03 USGP, while Michael serenely cruised to victory
IN THE RAIN, Montoya punted Barichello, resulting in a stop-and-go penalty, and then (remember this race was crunch time for his championship aspirations) he spun off all on his own in the rain, at which point he was a lap down to your favorite driver. Before you even say that the Bridgestones ar better in the wet than Michelins, I'll point out that Kimi made no such errors (btw, in case you didn't read it the first time, this is his
THIRD season, not his rookie season in F1)........
You say it works both ways? Team-to-driver...driver-to-team...well lets look here: You have a hispanic driver trying to click with a bunch of germans (and english) he's rarely worked with (if not EVER worked with, regarding most of his team) Compared to a european himself (MS) which has a technical director (Ross Brawn, the most important member of a team for a driver) who he has a great history with both ON and OFF the track* You could practically call him a "brother-in-law," (MS's own quote) LOL. not to mention numorous other key players on that team who just "move" with schumacher from team to team...as his fixed support system.
Are you kiddin me? You're playing the race card? Whose your attorney, Johnny Cochran? Are you saying that everyone on Montoya's previous teams in Formula Opel, F3000, and CART all spoke to him in Spanish, particularly the Japanese Honda engineers at Target-Ganassi in '99? Senna (another South American driver) won the '88 title in his first year at Mclaren-Honda, a British/Japanese team. You think they all communicated with Senna in his native Portugese language? If you really are "in the know", you would know that the universal language in a multinational sport like autoracing is
ENGLISH, so that argument is totally baseless.
So let's address the idea that Montoya still needs time to get to know his team, and vice-versa. He's been at Williams-BMW for three years now with the same engineers and mechanics. By comparison, Schumacher's third season at Benetton (also his third full season in F1) yielded a championship. How long does he need? Five years? Ten years? As for him calling the team wankers, truly great drivers don't
EVER verbally abuse their own team in the media. Senna never did it, and Scumacher doesn't either.
And these people (Ross Brawn, Jean todt, etc..) aren't just people, THEY are arguably the best in the business
So you're saying that Frank Williams and Patrick Head aren't good enough? Last time I checked the record books they have more Drivers and Constructors Titles than Brawn, Todt, Byrne.....
Again, look to the support system in Formula 1 to see the reasoning behind MS's 6 champoinships...anyone who thinks MS's "talent" as a driver was simply resposible for that doesn't understand racing at that level
Apparently you're the one who doesn't understand racing at this level. Of course Scumacher didn't do it all on his own, just like Senna or Prost didn't. But if Montoya was with Brawn, Todt, etc. from '96 until now. Logic suggests that he would not have won as many (if any) championships as Schumacher. Hell, he probably would have started whining when times were bad, alienated the team, and then signed for another team just like he is doing at Williams now.
I can name you FIVE drivers (some current, some deceased) who would have 6 champoinships (or more) with backing like that*
I'd REALLY like to hear this one.....
you need to look "beneath the surface" before disregarding my comments as "faulty" ...and stop being a "stats" freak
Look beneath the surface at what? More hot air? Anyone else wanna chime in? Anyone? Bueller?
Just keep setting 'em up and I'll keep knockin 'em down....
), would have decided the championship long before Suzuka.
...so I'll give it to ya.
