F 430 or Lambo Gallardo

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Hey,

I have a friend who is considering the purchase of a Ferrari F430 or Lamborghini Gallardo (not in the market for NSX). What are the pros and cons of each based on experience (performance, maintenance)? Has anyone out there owned both?

I decided to ask this question on Prime versus the Ferrari or Lambo sites in the hope that I can get unbiased inputs.

kreh-1997 Kaiser Silver NSX
 
I would recommend to see Top Gear tests of these cars.


You can see the Top Gear testdrives here;

Ferrari F430: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-313980543127255601&q=ferrari+top+gear

Lamborghini Gallardo:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5359462062459154252&q=gallardo+top+gear


Never driven a Lambo or a red Fiat, but maybe you can get som pros and cons watching these clips :) Maybe he wants to wait for the new 911 Turbo? (based on the 997)


And remember to show your friend this bodykit for the F430, so that he can get all the attention away from other Ferrari-owners :D:D:D:D


http://www.fabulous.co.jp/products/importcar/ferrariF430/ If this didn't turn you on, I don't know what will... :D



Please let us know what the final decision was :)
 
F430 I've heard to be more of an experience...

I have a family member whose colleague owns a Gallardo, so I've often pulled him for some real-world insights.

What was quoted to me: "The AWD makes her a bit bland, if not benign. Damn shame because the rest rocks."
 
Thanks for the posts. I thought that the AWD would really enhance the excitement of driving the car but it sounds like it makes it too easy. I wonder if some of the Gallardo's additional horsepower is lost in that AWD drive train.
 
I'm sure that it looses some more power at the engine compared to rwd cars...

Have some friends with 4wd cars, they all score high on hp in the engine, but about 20-25% hp less on the wheels. That's over 100 hp loss from the engine to the wheels in Gallardo...


But I don't know about the awd system on Lambos so I don't know for sure :)

Hope he gets the Ferrari :D
 
Get the Gallardo, SE if he can find one, or better yet the new 2006 gallardo. There's nothing that has the presence of lamborghini, except maybe a veilside nsx:biggrin: . I've driven a momo limited edition gallardo, and the car is truly a ferocious bull looking to pounce every strech of highway you give it. The shifting of the E-gear is smooth, precise, quick and very aggressive in race/sports mode. The sound produced while downshifting is out of this world. The gallardo, or any lamborghini (especially the murcie) attracts an unbelievable amount of attention- crowds of people asking questions and surrounding the car, people taking pictures of your car while your driving, and women that seem to forget their marital status when approaching your about your car. I'm not sure if your friend will be comfortable with this. There is a big price gap between the 430 and the gallardo. If your friend is willing and able to get the 430, he might as well get a murcie, or a mucielago roadster at that. But then again, it depends on what he wants and needs. If he wants a daily driver, the gallardo would best be suited for him. The gallardo has more visibility, lighter steering, more reliability, and not as wide as the murcie so its easier to manuever. The 430 is stunning and sexy, but it doesn't have that distinctive jaw dropping, exotic supercar look of the murci or gallardo- which are cars that will cause accidents when other drivers take their eyes of the road to look at your car. The 430's exhaust note is not appealing in my opinion. Just doesn't do it for me like F355 does. Its sound can almost be mistaken for a civic or integra with a deep sounding exhaust system. No offense to all ferrari lovers here, just being honest. The Sound of the murcie and the gallardo on the other hand, fits very well with chosen mascot of Lamborghini. An angry imposing bull, snorting and wanting to instill fear and devour anything that gets in it way. If your friend is considering a lamborghini, I have a friend who belongs for Lambo of O.C. PM me if you want his info.
 
I just want to remind you and your friend that there is a waiting list for ferraris all around the world ranging from 2 to 4 years, I think it might be easier to get a lambo insted

If I were to choose between a 430 and a Ballaro I'd go for the 430, nothing ever comes close to the fun of driving a ferrari 430 ( excepet maybe the next generation NSX if they ever build it ) the sound of the exhaust alone is more than enough, let alone the disinctive styling and the driver feel.

I agree with the previous poster that the Murcilago is a lot more exhautic than the 430 but I think I'd still go for a 430 what really interests me is the dirving experience and nothing does it like the 430 period, not even the magnificent Lotus Elise. It's no fair to contrast it with an NSX because it's way too old now, and the 430 kills porschas. and if it's the fun of the drive that you seek and not turning people's heads, it will even beat the murclillago which is way more expensive in the first place

The Gallardo is nowhere near the Murcillago in terms of exhaticness or driver apeal, it's actuall dual in comparison. So I think it dies out against the 430.


P.S. please don't flame me
 
You may want to watch the clip from this post "F430 vs Gallardo vs GT3 vs NSX-R" in the off topic section.
 
RACERnsX said:
You may want to watch the clip from this post "F430 vs Gallardo vs GT3 vs NSX-R" in the off topic section.

You should also remember that all "Best Motoring Vids" are for pure entertainment only. Nothing really factual about that show....

As for me, I don't really consider the Gallardo a true lambo for some reason...the Murci however. I think I'd take the Murci>430>Gallardo.

I saw the Gallardo next to a 430 at the L.A. auto show, and the 430 had more presence. Put the 430 next to a Murci however....:cool:
 
From what I hear you'll pay over MSRP for the F430 and under MSRP for the Gallardo (some as low as $130K :eek:). I also understand that getting an F430 is no small task. You have to have established history with Ferrari and even then you'll have to get on an exclusive waiting list. With the Gallardo you'll have the car sooner, pay less, and have similar performance and presence. Too bad it doesn't come with the scissor doors... a Lamborghini without scissor doors is like a delorean without a flux capacitor.

I've seen the two side-by-side and I have to say it's a tough call. I've always preferred Ferrari, but I think their new look is just slightly (and I did say slightly) too organic. The Lambo seems to have a little more nostalgic exoticsness to it for me. Either way, he can't go wrong.
 
I've read somewhere that F430 has issues with the passenger side airbag. Both are great cars maybe you can toss a coin to decide which one to buy.
 
Here are the Contenders.....

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kreh said:
Please add the contenders. I don't see them.


Hey Kim, I'm not sure why the pictures aren't working:confused: I try reposting them later on this evening after work. They were just pictures of 2 gallardos and a F430. Did you get the PM i sent you??

William
 
cmhs75 said:
I just want to remind you and your friend that there is a waiting list for ferraris all around the world ranging from 2 to 4 years

That's exactly the same crap they pulled when the 360 first came out. Dealers were asking over $300K and you had to wait forever. Now they're a dime a dozen on eBay. There's even one on there with 1000 miles for $150,000. The same thing will happen with the 430. You'll have a bunch of numbnuts paying stupid prices for the things just so they can be the first one on their blocks to have one, then they'll get sick of them because they never drive them and the market will be flooded with them. Right now, economically the Gallardo is the better choice. Plus with its Audi drivetrain it's most likely a lot more reliable than the F car anyway.

A few months ago all the local Ford dealers were quoting $250K to $300K for the GT. Now they're at sticker price. I'd get that over the 430 or the Gallardo.
 
Here's a post i found on F-chat. Thanks to Mr. Allan-Lambo....

Late model 360's are only holding value as they are the next best thing for someone looking for a 430, and either not being able to get one, or not being able to afford one. Once you factor in the amounts people were paying over sticker for these cars into the equation, then you can fill in the depreciation gap. As the years go by, the Gallardo will retain its value mutch better than the 360/430. The 360 will eventually be a 40K car, as is the 348, the Gallardo will not. Another good case in point would be the Ferrari 550, ive been offered 97's in the 80's.How much do you think a similarly priced (when new) Diablo will set you back now? Countach vs Testarossa? Miura vs Daytona?
 
Allam Lambo is a compelete "lamboist" to the extreme.

It's true that V12 GT Ferrari's depreciate like crazy but it's also true that Lambo dealers sell Gallardos.. brand new ones.. at a discount.

When it comes to holding values, V8 Ferraris hold their values extremely well. Gallardos are already dropping and they are the current model! Imagine when the Gallardo replacement is released.

360s are not a dime a dozen. Yes, there are many for sale. However, when you go shop for an extremely clean one with compelete records and all the desireable options, you'll see that finding what you want is not that easy unless you want to pay a premium. They hold their value.

With that said, if I liked the Gallardo's styling (I don't), and I didn't mind seeing Audi A4 switches in my exotic car (I do), I think the Gallardo would be the better buy if you can work in a steep discount from the dealer (you can). F430 prices are still sky high. Both are great cars.

I think the most helpful post from Fchat would be this one:

I owned a 2004 Gallardo (egear) for about 1 1/2 years . . . I had about 6500 miles on the car when I recently sold it. Many of these miles were track miles . . . consumed 4 sets of PS2's, 2 complete sets of disc pads and one set of front rotors. The G was solid on both the track and on the road . . . it compared very favorably to my 6 spd 2003 Porsche X50 turbo in terms of reliability but I ended up spending much more time in the G due to a bit more driver involvement and the free revving, non-turbo engine. My few complaints on the track were associated with the weighted AWD steering feel (and associated turn-in), slow gear change on the egear, brake fade after hard driving, improper gearing and overall weight of the car. Torque, straigt-line acceleration and corner exits were a pure joy. I kept the car essentially stock except for an aftermarket exhaust and some high performance air filters.

At the end of last year, I began evaluating my next car purchase. During this time period, I was able to test drive a Gallardo SE, F430, a Ford GT and a Z06. I was lucky to test both the Ford GT and Z06 under track conditions--both impressive but the Z06 did not inspire the confidence of the G (or my Porsche for that matter). The Ford GT was pretty spectacular in pure performance--drawbacks were build quality, weight, interior styling/quality and completely impractical doors. Torque (in every gear) and driving ease at the limit were every bit as good (or better) than my G. It is, however, still a Ford and though very workmanlike in performance, it did not instill a great deal of passion (though if prices continue their downward trend, I will pick one up as a weekend track car).

I was only able to test the SE under street conditions but the MY'06 changes were evident. The shortened gear ratio (first five gears) and improved steering feel helped offset the weight issue and AWD effects. Egear shift times and overall feel were about the same. Much improved over my '04 G but not revolutionary.

My first drive in the F430 sealed the deal--the weight difference, steering feel and shifting of the F1 transmission clearly set it apart from the SE. It was hard to determine under street driving but as I would learn at the track, the e-diff is a wonderful foil to AWD. Needless to say, I purchased a black F430 F1 coupe in December and have done numerous track sessions since then. I quickly eclipsed the times that I set in my '04 Gallardo and though I miss the security of the AWD at times, the advantages of the F430 are readily observable on the track. With equivalent drivers, my guess is that the F430 and SE (or any Gallardo MY06) are very close on the track. I was looking for a change and the SE was more incremental to my '04 . . . getting back to a high revving RWD car has been refreshing (after the G and the Turbo).

I only have positives to say about my '04 Gallardo and the SE was a serious contender when considering my F430 purchase. I count myself as very lucky to have experienced both cars under track conditions and at the end of the day, I would recommend choosing the one that brings the biggest smile to your face.

Lee
 
kreh said:
I decided to ask this question on Prime versus the Ferrari or Lambo sites in the hope that I can get unbiased inputs.
I think it will be tough to get unbiased inputs. We all have different personal perference, and entitled to our personal opinions.

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Performance wise: F430 and Gallardo are virtually identical.

Value wise: Gallardo no doubt, the waiting list and mark up on F430 is just insane.

Exhaust note: I have heard Gallardo's exhaust note a few time before, it sounds great. The only time I heard the F430 at Crystal Cove it sounded like crap (maybe it was due to the backfire), I guess I will give it another shot this Saturday.

---------------------Personal opinion----------------------------------
Look wise: F430 wins hand down. Gallardo is simply butt ugly (my personal opinion), looks like a mini tank. Look is the most important factor for me when it comes to cars.

My Conclusion based on my personal preference and look: F430>NSX=360 modena>........several other cars here>.......at last Gallardo.
 
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