Cutbacks vs. Spending ?

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I'm just curious how other people handle money in relation to their personal lives. For instance, I don't eat out very often, but when I buy clothes, it's usually expensive stuff. Furnishing my home has taken 2 years because I feel that it's better to slowly buy what I want, as opposed to having something immediatly that's cheaper, but a compromise in my taste. Just curious where you guys place your spending priorities......areas where you won't compromise (I already know about your auto expenses)?
 
I even think automobiles are being cut back on. I know I don't have the same rosy colored goggles on now after losing my job.

As for daily spending well we try to eat out less and really watch what we are buying for groceries etc. Not that we won't treat ourselves but we tend to watch how much we are spending month to month by writing it down in a diary.

We have no debt at all so very fortunate to be in the position we are.

You still have to live though...
 
For starters, ever since I was about 14-15 years old, I keep track of EVERY bit of money that comes in or goes out.
First of course, this only had to do with the small time stuff you do as a kid, but I have kept it up and I am still doing it today. Nowadays, I don't have to write it down anymore, it just goes into the computer.
After some practice it becomes quite natural to know what you have spend each day.
In addition to this, since one year, I keep also a net track of this based on calendar day. So, every day, I note how much comes in and how much I spend.
And then, of course, the trick is to do it in such a way that every month has a positive balance.

All of this does not in itself tell me what to do or not do with my money. But over the years it has given me a very good insight on where my money goes and where it comes from. It has become a habbit to make a definite decision about whether I will or will not buy or do something. That may sound like I turn over every dime (which I do not), but it DOES have made a difference in HOW I will spend my money.
For example, when filling up the car, I know where not to buy gas.
Also, I will almost never buy a softdrink at a filling station or somewhere else because, usually, they price is about 2x-4x time of what you would pay in the supermarket.
Same goes for buying daily groceries and stuff, or going out for lunch.
You might be surprised on how much money easily goes into buying lunch every day at work on a yearly basis.
Most important, I pay for most things in cash because have to hand over the money gives you a better idea of how much you spend.
And I practically do NOT use credit anywhere. Apart from my house mortgage, everything else I have (not much, I have to admit :) ) has been paid for with my own money.
 
I'm with you.

Understanding that expensive doesn't always equal value is a good place to start.

Some people think just because they paid a lot of money for something, that they are getting the best.

In my experience, that is rarely the case.

In any case, I'm very value oriented and am always trying to find the point along the curve where price and value intersect.
 
I'm just curious how other people handle money in relation to their personal lives.

For me, saftey comes first. Getting everything is paid off was my only goal. To have 0 debt. Then I figured out how much I spend in a year and created a savings account with that much in it. Just in case I lose my job, now I have at least a year of money. To me, that is worth more than a new TV, or anything else I could buy. That's where I am as of 09. I've just reached this point. I still have hand me down furniture, I still don't have a HDTV. I do dress well at work, but I really am not a consumer. I live on about 1/2 of my income.

My question now is what next. If I continue on this path, based on my math, I can retire in 15 years at 50 with the same standard of living. OR, or I can upgrade to a bigger house, buy a race car, etc. Tough choice....
 
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For me, saftey comes first. Getting everything is paid off was my only goal. To have 0 debt. Then I figured out how much I spend in a year and created a savings account with that much in it. Just in case I lose my job, now I have at least a year of money. To me, that is worth more than a new TV, or anything else I could buy. That's where I am as of 09. I've just reached this point. I still have hand me down furniture, I still don't have a HDTV. I do dress well at work, but I really am not a consumer. I live on about 1/2 of my income.

My question now is what next. If I continue on this path, based on my math, I can retire in 15 years at 50 with the same standard of living. OR, or I can upgrade to a bigger house, buy a race car, etc. Tough choice....

Buy assets because money is going to get devalued on a massive scale.
 
Oddly enough I am actually spending a little this year. Not because things are better for me economically, but because I have been a cheap bum the last couple years, and that can only go so far. So I need to refill my xmas brownie points jar so to speak. :tongue:
 
Buy assets because money is going to get devalued on a massive scale.


I did buy some gold and silver last year. Wish I would have bought a lot more... Do you have any insight on why you think money is going further down? I've seen arguments for both inflation and deflation.
 
I did buy some gold and silver last year. Wish I would have bought a lot more... Do you have any insight on why you think money is going further down? I've seen arguments for both inflation and deflation.


Well there is deflation right now so much deflation that there really isn't much room for too much more deflation so the only other way for assets to go is inflation. Interest rates are at an all time low and can't go further down. Rates will go up and money will be worth a lot less. Add to that the amount of money supply added to the "float" and you have liquidation of currency on a massive scale. Additionally inflation is the only way this country will be able to pay back the HUGE sums of money it owes.

Borrow 100k now and buy 100k in assets that appreciate, pay the 100k back later will be = to ~50k. The reversal of that is 100k in the bank will buy 50K worth of assets in the future.

It's also the best way out of the housing mess a lot of people are in. underwater on your house now? Inflation will take care of that, but the real kicker is in order for that to work rates will have to stay low. If someone can only afford a 1k a month house payment and rates go up then housing prices must decrease or income levels need to increase to make a payment greater than 1k. Nothing really changes except the money supply. When the money supply increases prices decrease as long as interest rates stay low or vise versa.

OR

There will be a huge war that will solve many problems.
 
I think it has to be balanced. You want to save some, but also enjoy life.

However, with the bad shape of the economy and job market, it is prudent to be more conservative. It is better to enjoy less now than going into a depression due to job losses or any other unfortunate circumstances.

I personal think the job market is in terrible shape, most of good pay jobs are lost to the foreign countries forever.

While the stock market is doing very well due to artificial low earning expectations/manipulation, but I think the US economy is in bad shape.

It is a subjective choice, but I prefer to be able to sleep well....
 
Minimize spending on things that aren't worth anything. If your reaction is "huh?", consider your phone bill, cable bill, insurance, and the alpha and the omega-interest on debt. After you pay 120$ for your iphone bill in December, you will have nothing to show for it. The money is gone.

Some of these costs are unavoidable-that's not the point. The point is minimization. Given these principles.. you might ponder whether I have a phone bill that's 20$ a month, liability only insurance, and pay cash for everything.. ponder no more :).

I work very hard for my money. I used to work extremely hard, where an hour of my life was only worth a dinner at a cheap Mexican restaurant. Any time I am about to essentially waste 100$, I remember when 100$ was a day and half's work after taxes (which is all that counts).
 
Minimize spending on things that aren't worth anything. If your reaction is "huh?", consider your phone bill, cable bill, insurance, and the alpha and the omega-interest on debt. After you pay 120$ for your iphone bill in December, you will have nothing to show for it. The money is gone.

Some of these costs are unavoidable-that's not the point. The point is minimization. Given these principles.. you might ponder whether I have a phone bill that's 20$ a month, liability only insurance, and pay cash for everything.. ponder no more :).

I work very hard for my money. I used to work extremely hard, where an hour of my life was only worth a dinner at a cheap Mexican restaurant. Any time I am about to essentially waste 100$, I remember when 100$ was a day and half's work after taxes (which is all that counts).

Exactly. The little stuff adds up.

Just whittled $25 out of my DirecTV bill a few days back....cut my mobile phone bill in half several months back. Took $10 off my broadband bill by reducing the speed from 2.0 mbps to 1.5. Re-shopped my health insurance and saved a little. Switched to netflix, and saved 30-$40 bucks per month. Bought my own clippers for $30...save $60 bucks a month on haircuts.

I don't run water when it's not needed, and you won't find lights on in my house if there is no one in the room. Programmable thermostat is a must, as is extra insulation in the attics.

Just remember - even if you waste something that is free, or of very little cost to you, somewhere, someone is paying for it....and sooner or later it'll catch up with you. Just think about everytime you waste napkins at a fast food restaurant. They charge for condiments now, just wait until they charge for paper products. Nothing....and I mean *nothing* is truly free.

It can be a pain, but it's worth it in the long run.
 
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Exactly. The little stuff adds up.

Just whittled $25 out of my DirecTV bill a few days back....cut my mobile phone bill in half several months back. Re-shopped my health insurance and saved a little. Switched to netflix, and saved 30-$40 bucks per month. Bought my own clippers for $30...save $60 bucks a month on haircuts.

I don't run water when it's not needed, and you won't find lights on in my house if there is no one in the room. Programmable thermostat is a must, as is extra insulation in the attics.

Just remember - even if you waste something that is free, or of very little cost to you, somewhere, someone is paying for it....and sooner or later it'll catch up with you. Just think about everytime you waste napkins at a fast food restaurant. They charge for condiments now, just wait until they charge for paper products. Nothing....and I mean *nothing* is truly free.

It can be a pain, but it's worth it in the long run.

Haircuts are an excellent example. They are a complete, utter waste of money. You can't sell your haircut for half of what you spent a week later. I have had my girlfriend shave my head for about 6 months now and I used to get 20$ hair cuts. I know guys that spend 30!!! dollars a hair cut every two weeks. I instantly do the math - 30 x 26 x say 10 = 7,800$ a decade. And what do you to show for all of that money at the end of those 10 years? Probably a bigger forehead.
 
From what I have read and observed ,those people who are very bad with money/overspending don't keep track of how little they have.I think online banking using credit/debit cards tied to actual cash would help them,rather than fiddling with paper check books and wistfully using credit only cards.
 
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