costco vs sams club return policy question

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With all the talk and friends testimony of Costco.. They seem to have top notch return policy. Does anyone know if Sams club is the same way.. I have membership to both.

Sometimes Sams club just have items that I like and Costco dont have it. Also Sams Club often I can get in and out of there a lot faster than Costco.
 
DarthMaul said:
With all the talk and friends testimony of Costco.. They seem to have top notch return policy. Does anyone know if Sams club is the same way.. I have membership to both.

Sometimes Sams club just have items that I like and Costco dont have it. Also Sams Club often I can get in and out of there a lot faster than Costco.


In my own opinion...I would ALWAYS go to Costco!
Costco has 6 month return policy on computers...and you don't have to purchase an additional policy. Then the manufacturer warranty kicks in (you have 6 more months with them... 1 year from date of purchase)

On all other items, no time limit! My wife works at the return counter at Costco and always has a story about what someone brought back. For example, this guy brings in one pant leg, from the knee down, and claims he ripped his pants and wanted his money back, guess what ? they gave him the money! What a hoot! We get such entertainment by the huevos some people have!

From what some "ex-sam's clubbers" have told her at the counter, they decided to cancel their cards because sam's would not compete with Costco's return policy.

And sam's is owned by walmart, need I say more?? :tongue:
 
Sam's has nothing in regards to a return policy, Costco is much better.

Here in the south, Sam's runs rings around Costco for items, layout, store personnel, etc. There will be 3-5 times as many people at a Sam's as the Costco which is almost always across the street or a block away. Do not know why, except Sams was here first. Costco was even ahead of Sam's in Marietta, and closed the store a year after Sam's opened, only to open another location more recently. Costco has had much better success in the west and NE it appears. Weird.

I let my Costco membership lapse for three years when a local tire shop would match their price on mounting and balancing ($10), and it was a 2 mile drive versus a 22 mile drive. Costco offered me a $20 gift card to come back, so I am going to try them for another year to see how it goes. Sam's has much more of the items my small business needs, and both stores near me are easier to get into and out of than Costco, even if there are more customers waiting in line. JMHO.
 
ANYTIME said:
For example, this guy brings in one pant leg, from the knee down, and claims he ripped his pants and wanted his money back, guess what ? they gave him the money! What a hoot! We get such entertainment by the huevos some people have!
Seeing as how he brought back only about 20% of the pants, they should have pro-rated his refund. :)

OK, they really should have told him to take a hike...
 
My brother used to work at Costco. Sometimes they don't let opportunistic consumers who are clearly abusing the return policy get away with stuff. One time a lady came in with an 18-pack of eggs. 17 eggs were missing and one was broken. She wanted new eggs because of the broken one. My brother went to the food section, brought over a new 18 pack of eggs, opened it, handed the lady one, single egg and told her to have a nice day.
 
mickeylex said:
My brother used to work at Costco. Sometimes they don't let opportunistic consumers who are clearly abusing the return policy get away with stuff. One time a lady came in with an 18-pack of eggs. 17 eggs were missing and one was broken. She wanted new eggs because of the broken one. My brother went to the food section, brought over a new 18 pack of eggs, opened it, handed the lady one, single egg and told her to have a nice day.

Whoa! If my wife did that, she would be written up! They have a strict policy of the customer always being right and never talking back to them.
I have a good one also. A lady kept bringing back a pack of fruit with all but a few left, which were rotten. My wife had seen her do this a few times and instead of saying that she was eating the good fruit and waiting for a few to spoil, then returning them, she just said "You sure do have a lot of problems with our fruit" and smiled at her. For some reason, my wife never saw her returning fruit again. :wink: In the returns department, they let members return everything, as long as it was bought from Costco. Most big box stores like Costco have weird sku's, with an added number or letter to items model number, so they can be told apart from other stores.

BTW, Costco does have a members shopping history that is checked regularly. If you buy CD's for example and start returning more than what you bought, you would get caught. Also, you need to keep a certain amount of what you buy. Meaning you can't return everything you buy.
 
ANYTIME said:
Whoa! If my wife did that, she would be written up!

Yeah, my brother has been written up many, many times. Can't keep his mouth shut. Another time a member was entering through the exit door. My brother politely asked her to use the other door (the entry door). The member challenged "why" and "I'll enter through any door I want". My brother responded "because the store is very busy with members exiting through this door and the other door labelled "entrance" is the proper entrance. They argued for a few minutes and the member demanded his name. He held up his name badge and said "It's Alex....or can't you read that either".

I love shopping at Costco. It's almost impossible to not spend way more than you should every time you go there.
 
Sam's return policy is same as walmart - 90 days. CostCo is much better, as stated above.

Due to CostCo's policy, I purchased the Executive membership with 2% rebate, as well as the CostCo Amex card which gives 3% rebate on dining, 2% on travel, and 1% on everything else.

I buy furniture from CostCo Home, and as much of everything else, including gas, at CostCo.

Their return policy really has helped me spend a ton more money with them than any where else.

The only other place I like is a Super Walmart because they're open 24 hours, and I like to shop at night when it's less crowded and cooler in the summer.
 
OK, I'm convinced..

Keep those stories coming. LMAO...
 
ANYTIME said:
They have a strict policy of the customer always being right and never talking back to them.
I would love it if businesses had the balls to say no to abusive customers. Asshats take advantage of policies like that and the rest of us pay more because of it.

Let's be real. The customer is not always right.
 
ncdogdoc said:
Sam's has nothing in regards to a return policy, Costco is much better.

Here in the south, Sam's runs rings around Costco for items, layout, store personnel, etc. There will be 3-5 times as many people at a Sam's as the Costco which is almost always across the street or a block away. Do not know why, except Sams was here first. Costco was even ahead of Sam's in Marietta, and closed the store a year after Sam's opened, only to open another location more recently. Costco has had much better success in the west and NE it appears. Weird.

I let my Costco membership lapse for three years when a local tire shop would match their price on mounting and balancing ($10), and it was a 2 mile drive versus a 22 mile drive. Costco offered me a $20 gift card to come back, so I am going to try them for another year to see how it goes. Sam's has much more of the items my small business needs, and both stores near me are easier to get into and out of than Costco, even if there are more customers waiting in line. JMHO.
opposite in california at least in sacramento. costco kicks sam's butt here.
costco and sam's were competing head to head in rancho cordova. sam's closed.
 
I love Costco's return policy and I applaud them for being so generous to their customers. I've used the return policy. This is one reason I try to do most of my shopping at Costco. They treat me well, so I return the favor by shopping there. I just can't stand it when I see people take advantage of the policy. I agree, the customer is NOT always right.

These stories are not as good, but its all I can remember right now.
More from my brother:
Ok, this one time - it was raining outside and a member comes in complaining "what's wrong with your store, these carts are all wet" (that one is a little dry humor, but next time you go shopping at costco and its raining, think of this story)

Another time: Member: "This TV is 27" and so is that one, what's the difference?" My brother: "about $50".

Another time: A member walks in. My brother: "sir, may I see your Costco card please?" Member: "Dammit! The only time you guys ask for my card is when I don't have it out". My brother: speechless for once in his life.
 
Oh, and back to DarthMaul's question. I used to carry both a Costco and Sam's card. Sam's had more people on the floor to help, but their prices were sometimes higher. I dropped the Sam's account years ago because Costco has the best return policy and their 2% back on purchases (3% on dining out with the AMEX card) pays for the membership. I'm a huge Costco fan - I get everything there from gasoline, electronics, clothes, shoes, watches, food...the list goes on and on. The best part is, if it breaks, take it back (and do the right thing and buy another one).
 
ANYTIME said:
In my own opinion...I would ALWAYS go to Costco!
Costco has 6 month return policy on computers...and you don't have to purchase an additional policy. Then the manufacturer warranty kicks in (you have 6 more months with them... 1 year from date of purchase)

On all other items, no time limit! My wife works at the return counter at Costco and always has a story about what someone brought back. For example, this guy brings in one pant leg, from the knee down, and claims he ripped his pants and wanted his money back, guess what ? they gave him the money! What a hoot! We get such entertainment by the huevos some people have!

From what some "ex-sam's clubbers" have told her at the counter, they decided to cancel their cards because sam's would not compete with Costco's return policy.

And sam's is owned by walmart, need I say more?? :tongue:

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From Sunday's New York Times:

How Costco Became the Anti-Wal-Mart

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Rick Bowmer/Associated Press
A Costco warehouse store in Tigard, Ore. The company is challenging the idea that discount retailers must pay workers poorly.

By STEVEN GREENHOUSE
Published: July 17, 2005

ISSAQUAH, Wash.

JIM SINEGAL, the chief executive of Costco Wholesale, the nation's fifth-largest retailer, had all the enthusiasm of an 8-year-old in a candy store as he tore open the container of one of his favorite new products: granola snack mix. "You got to try this; it's delicious," he said. "And just $9.99 for 38 ounces."

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Peter Yates for The New York Times
A Costco store in Issaquah, Wash.

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Peter Yates for The New York Times
Costco's strategy of using plain spaces to sell products in bulk at deep discounts has won over many customers, said Jim Sinegal, Costco's chief executive.

Some 60 feet away, inside Costco's cavernous warehouse store here in the company's hometown, Mr. Sinegal became positively exuberant about the 87-inch-long Natuzzi brown leather sofas. "This is just $799.99," he said. "It's terrific quality. Most other places you'd have to pay $1,500, even $2,000."

But the pièce de résistance, the item he most wanted to crow about, was Costco's private-label pinpoint cotton dress shirts. "Look, these are just $12.99," he said, while lifting a crisp blue button-down. "At Nordstrom or Macy's, this is a $45, $50 shirt."

Combining high quality with stunningly low prices, the shirts appeal to upscale customers - and epitomize why some retail analysts say Mr. Sinegal just might be America's shrewdest merchant since Sam Walton.

But not everyone is happy with Costco's business strategy. Some Wall Street analysts assert that Mr. Sinegal is overly generous not only to Costco's customers but to its workers as well.

Costco's average pay, for example, is $17 an hour, 42 percent higher than its fiercest rival, Sam's Club. And Costco's health plan makes those at many other retailers look Scroogish. One analyst, Bill Dreher of Deutsche Bank, complained last year that at Costco "it's better to be an employee or a customer than a shareholder."

Mr. Sinegal begs to differ. He rejects Wall Street's assumption that to succeed in discount retailing, companies must pay poorly and skimp on benefits, or must ratchet up prices to meet Wall Street's profit demands.

Good wages and benefits are why Costco has extremely low rates of turnover and theft by employees, he said. And Costco's customers, who are more affluent than other warehouse store shoppers, stay loyal because they like that low prices do not come at the workers' expense. "This is not altruistic," he said. "This is good business."

He also dismisses calls to increase Costco's product markups. Mr. Sinegal, who has been in the retailing business for more than a half-century, said that heeding Wall Street's advice to raise some prices would bring Costco's downfall.

"When I started, Sears, Roebuck was the Costco of the country, but they allowed someone else to come in under them," he said. "We don't want to be one of the casualties. We don't want to turn around and say, 'We got so fancy we've raised our prices,' and all of a sudden a new competitor comes in and beats our prices."

At Costco, one of Mr. Sinegal's cardinal rules is that no branded item can be marked up by more than 14 percent, and no private-label item by more than 15 percent. In contrast, supermarkets generally mark up merchandise by 25 percent, and department stores by 50 percent or more.

"They could probably get more money for a lot of items they sell," said Ed Weller, a retailing analyst at ThinkEquity.

But Mr. Sinegal warned that if Costco increased markups to 16 or 18 percent, the company might slip down a dangerous slope and lose discipline in minimizing costs and prices.

Mr. Sinegal, whose father was a coal miner and steelworker, gave a simple explanation. "On Wall Street, they're in the business of making money between now and next Thursday," he said. "I don't say that with any bitterness, but we can't take that view. We want to build a company that will still be here 50 and 60 years from now."

IF shareholders mind Mr. Sinegal's philosophy, it is not obvious: Costco's stock price has risen more than 10 percent in the last 12 months, while Wal-Mart's has slipped 5 percent. Costco shares sell for almost 23 times expected earnings; at Wal-Mart the multiple is about 19.Mr. Dreher said Costco's share price was so high because so many people love the company. "It's a cult stock," he said.

Emme Kozloff, an analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein & Company, faulted Mr. Sinegal as being too generous to employees, noting that when analysts complained that Costco's workers were paying just 4 percent toward their health costs, he raised that percentage only to 8 percent, when the retail average is 25 percent.

"He has been too benevolent," she said. "He's right that a happy employee is a productive long-term employee, but he could force employees to pick up a little more of the burden."

Mr. Sinegal says he pays attention to analysts' advice because it enforces a healthy discipline, but he has largely shunned Wall Street pressure to be less generous to his workers.

"When Jim talks to us about setting wages and benefits, he doesn't want us to be better than everyone else, he wants us to be demonstrably better," said John Matthews, Costco's senior vice president for human resources.

With his ferocious attention to detail and price, Mr. Sinegal has made Costco the nation's leading warehouse retailer, with about half of the market, compared with 40 percent for the No. 2, Sam's Club. But Sam's is not a typical runner-up: it is part of the Wal-Mart empire, which, with $288 billion in sales last year, dwarfs Costco.

But it is the customer, more than the competition, that keeps Mr. Sinegal's attention. "We're very good merchants, and we offer value," he said. "The traditional retailer will say: 'I'm selling this for $10. I wonder whether I can get $10.50 or $11.' We say: 'We're selling it for $9. How do we get it down to $8?' We understand that our members don't come and shop with us because of the fancy window displays or the Santa Claus or the piano player. They come and shop with us because we offer great values."

Costco was founded with a single store in Seattle in 1983; it now has 457 stores, mostly in the United States, but also in Canada, Britain, South Korea, Taiwan and Japan. Wal-Mart, by contrast, had 642 Sam's Clubs in the United States and abroad as of Jan. 31.Costco's profit rose 22 percent last year, to $882 million, on sales of $47.1 billion. In the United States, its stores average $121 million in sales annually, far more than the $70 million for Sam's Clubs. And the average household income of Costco customers is $74,000 - with 31 percent earning over $100,000.

One reason the company has risen to the top and stayed there is that Mr. Sinegal relentlessly refines his model of the warehouse store - the bare-bones, cement-floor retailing space where shoppers pay a membership fee to choose from a limited number of products in large quantities at deep discounts. Costco has 44.6 million members, with households paying $45 a year and small businesses paying $100.

A typical Costco store stocks 4,000 types of items, including perhaps just four toothpaste brands, while a Wal-Mart typically stocks more than 100,000 types of items and may carry 60 sizes and brands of toothpastes. Narrowing the number of options increases the sales volume of each, allowing Costco to squeeze deeper and deeper bulk discounts from suppliers.

"He's a zealot on low prices," Ms. Kozloff said. "He's very reticent about finagling with his model."

Despite Costco's impressive record, Mr. Sinegal's salary is just $350,000, although he also received a $200,000 bonus last year. That puts him at less than 10 percent of many other chief executives, though Costco ranks 29th in revenue among all American companies.

"I've been very well rewarded," said Mr. Sinegal, who is worth more than $150 million thanks to his Costco stock holdings. "I just think that if you're going to try to run an organization that's very cost-conscious, then you can't have those disparities. Having an individual who is making 100 or 200 or 300 times more than the average person working on the floor is wrong."

There is little love lost between Wal-Mart and Costco. Wal-Mart, for example, boasts that its Sam's Club division has the lowest prices of any retailer. Mr. Sinegal emphatically dismissed that assertion with a one-word barnyard epithet. Sam's might make the case that its ketchup is cheaper than Costco's, he said, "but you can't compare Hunt's ketchup with Heinz ketchup."

Still, Costco is feeling the heat from Sam's Club. When Sam's began to pare prices aggressively several years ago, Costco had to shave its prices - and its already thin profit margins - ever further.

"Sam's Club has dramatically improved its operation and improved the quality of their merchandise," said Mr. Dreher, the Deutsche Bank analyst. "Using their buying power together with Wal-Mart's, it forces Costco to be very sharp on their prices."

Mr. Sinegal's elbows can be sharp as well. As most suppliers well know, his gruff charm is not what lets him sell goods at rock-bottom prices - it's his fearsome toughness, which he rarely shows in public. He often warns suppliers not to offer other retailers lower prices than Costco gets.

When a frozen-food supplier mistakenly sent Costco an invoice meant for Wal-Mart, he discovered that Wal-Mart was getting a better price. "We have not brought that supplier back," Mr. Sinegal said.

He has to be flinty, he said, because the competition is so fierce. "This is not the Little Sisters of the Poor," he said. "We have to be competitive in the toughest marketplace in the world against the biggest competitor in the world. We cannot afford to be timid."

Nor can he afford to let personal relationships get in his way. Tim Rose, Costco's senior vice president for food merchandising, recalled a time when Starbucks did not pass along savings from a drop in coffee bean prices. Though he is a friend of the Starbucks chairman, Howard Schultz, Mr. Sinegal warned he would remove Starbucks coffee from his stores unless it cut its prices.

Starbucks relented.

"Howard said, 'Who do you think you are? The price police?' " Mr. Rose recalled, adding that Mr. Sinegal replied emphatically that he was.

If Mr. Sinegal feels proprietary about warehouse stores, it is for good reason. He was present at the birth of the concept, in 1954. He was 18, a student at San Diego Community College, when a friend asked him to help unload mattresses for a month-old discount store called Fed-Mart.

What he thought would be a one-day job became a career. He rose to executive vice president for merchandising and became a protégé of Fed-Mart's chairman, Sol Price, who is credited with inventing the idea of high-volume warehouse stores that sell a limited number of products.

Mr. Price sold Fed-Mart to a German retailer in 1975 and was fired soon after. Mr. Sinegal then left and helped Mr. Price start a new warehouse company, Price Club. Its huge success led others to enter the business: Wal-Mart started Sam's Club, Zayre's started BJ's Wholesale Club and a Seattle entrepreneur tapped Mr. Sinegal to help him found Costco.

Costco has used Mr. Price's formula: sell a limited number of items, keep costs down, rely on high volume, pay workers well, have customers buy memberships and aim for upscale shoppers, especially small-business owners. In addition, don't advertise - that saves 2 percent a year in costs. Costco and Price Club merged in 1993.

"Jim has done a very good job in balancing the interests of the shareholders, the employees, the customers and the managers," said Mr. Price, now 89 and retired. "Most companies tilt too much one way or the other."

Mr. Sinegal, who is 69 but looks a decade younger, also delights in not tilting Costco too far into cheap merchandise, even at his warehouse stores. He loves the idea of the "treasure hunt" - occasional, temporary specials on exotic cheeses, Coach bags, plasma screen televisions, Waterford crystal, French wine and $5,000 necklaces - scattered among staples like toilet paper by the case and institutional-size jars of mayonnaise.

The treasure hunts, Mr. Sinegal says, create a sense of excitement and customer loyalty.

This knack for seeing things in a new way also explains Costco's approach to retaining employees as well as shoppers. Besides paying considerably more than competitors, for example, Costco contributes generously to its workers' 401(k) plans, starting with 3 percent of salary the second year and rising to 9 percent after 25 years.

ITS insurance plans absorb most dental expenses, and part-time workers are eligible for health insurance after just six months on the job, compared with two years at Wal-Mart. Eighty-five percent of Costco's workers have health insurance, compared with less than half at Wal-Mart and Target.

Costco also has not shut out unions, as some of its rivals have. The Teamsters union, for example, represents 14,000 of Costco's 113,000 employees. "They gave us the best agreement of any retailer in the country," said Rome Aloise, the union's chief negotiator with Costco. The contract guarantees employees at least 25 hours of work a week, he said, and requires that at least half of a store's workers be full time.

Workers seem enthusiastic. Beth Wagner, 36, used to manage a Rite Aid drugstore, where she made $24,000 a year and paid nearly $4,000 a year for health coverage. She quit five years ago to work at Costco, taking a cut in pay. She started at $10.50 an hour - $22,000 a year - but now makes $18 an hour as a receiving clerk. With annual bonuses, her income is about $40,000.

"I want to retire here," she said. "I love it here."

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That is an excellent article, thanks for posting NSXtasy.
 
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