Comptech exhaust = P0420 + P0430?

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Well, my NSX arrived on Wed, and within the first ten miles, it threw P0420 (Catalytic Inefficiency Bank 1 code). The car has some mods, including Comptech exhaust, which is the possible culprit. Upon pulling the codes, I was a little relieved to see it was just a P0420, as I'm used to seeing that code on my WRX's, which tend to throw a P0420 when you remove two or more of the three cats that they come with.

Anyway, the previous owner asserts that this code never came up in the 1000 miles he ran that exhaust, although he said Comptech had cautioned him that the car might throw a CEL due to the exhaust.

Last night, about 150 miles since last clearing the code, it popped up again, joined by P0430, which is basically the same code, but for Bank 2. I once again checked and cleared the codes, but now I'm a little concerned about passing state inspection, as the car will fail if there are any codes present, or if its not in readiness status due to recently cleared codes (what puts an NSX into readiness, anyway?). Also, is this a common problem with Comptech's exhaust? I guess my only way to figure out if the catback is really causing the problem is to swap the stock exhaust back on and see if it throws the code again. I suppose its always possible that the cats are failing, or that the rear o2 sensors need to be replaced, although I doubt it.

Also, I tried a search on P0420, but it yielded very little useful info.

Thanks!
 
The Comptech exhaust should have absolutely no bearing on the emissions - it's after the CATs

However, the best news you have is that the emissions warranty is extended to 150K miles on your '95 - this will be addressed by your dealer under full warranty for the source of the CEL including replacement of the cats if necessary and includes free spark plugs replacement, oil change etc as part of the deal!!!!

See the TSB here

The coverage now becomes 14 years from the date of purchase or 150,000 miles, whichever comes first. The extension covers (a) any defect that has resulted in the illumination of the malfunction indicator light on your vehicle dashboard display; (b) any defect approved by the EPA; and (c) any emission-related defect, including but not limited to defects in certain emissions-related parts. The Emission Warranty Extension is transferable to a new owner if the vehicle is sold.
......

Additional service provided by Acura
As part of the settlement, Acura has agreed to perform two special services to your vehicle:
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2.In the mileage range of 75,000 to 150,000 miles, Acura dealers will replace certain emission components in your vehicle free of charge. These components include spark plugs, ignition wires, distributor cap, and rotor. A free oil and oil filter change will also be part of this one-time service, but remember--your vehicle is not eligible until it has reached 75,000 miles. At the time of this service, the OBD system will be inspected again and any necessary repairs performed free of charge. It is recommended that you have this one-time service performed in conjunction with the scheduled maintenance at 90,000 miles (refer to your owner's manual).
 
Really quite simple, your cats are worn out, they are not reacting in a manner the ECU expects. As stated above, no big deal, enjoy your new ones for FREE:):).

Regards,
LarryB
 
2.In the mileage range of 75,000 to 150,000 miles, Acura dealers will replace certain emission components in your vehicle free of charge. These components include spark plugs, ignition wires, distributor cap, and rotor. A free oil and oil filter change will also be part of this one-time service, but remember--your vehicle is not eligible until it has reached 75,000 miles. At the time of this service, the OBD system will be inspected again and any necessary repairs performed free of charge. It is recommended that you have this one-time service performed in conjunction with the scheduled maintenance at 90,000 miles (refer to your owner's manual).


Actually this offer has been extended to 14 years from the date of the purchase and now includes the 1996 RL model year as well. I received my notice in January. They noted that the schedule mileage could be 90,000 or 105,000 depending on model.
 
annointed said:
Anyway, the previous owner asserts that this code never came up in the 1000 miles he ran that exhaust, although he said Comptech had cautioned him that the car might throw a CEL due to the exhaust. ...
This sounds incredibly suspect - he drives for 1000mile with no CEL & you get one immediately in < 10 miles.
But he says Comptech warns it may throw CEL?

Smells bad to me!
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Not a big deal because of the warranty, but appears PO not exactly truthful and makes you wonder what else he didn't tell you.
 
D'Ecosse said:
This sounds incredibly suspect - he drives for 1000mile with no CEL & you get one immediately in < 10 miles.
But he says Comptech warns it may throw CEL?

Smells bad to me!
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Not a big deal because of the warranty, but appears PO not exactly truthful and makes you wonder what else he didn't tell you.

Yes, although the previous owner has been nothing but gracious, and a pleasure to deal with, this car has turned out to have issues that I never expected. It confirms that I probably should have flown out and driven the car for myself before buying...or just passed it up.

This morning on my way to my first clients of the day, the car stalled out several times on its own:eek: I was driving in the rain, and decelerating from ~25 mph for a light, as I slipped it from 2nd to neutral, the car just died. It started right back up, but then at the very next light, the same thing happened, and the car could not hold an idle, forcing me to manually hold the throttle open at around 1k rpm, as I was paranoid to let it stall again, fearing the car might decide not to start back up at all, leaving me stranded in heavy rain. Upon one of the start ups, the car hunted for idle, reving repeatedly between 500-1500 rpm, like a Civic w/a fast idle valve problem. This is very disconcerting to me, to say the least. Now I'm stuck with an NSX with issues. Thank God for this forum though, you guys are tremendously helpful and resourceful.

I have to go now for my next client, but I'll be checking back in for further insights. Thanks again!
 
annointed said:
Yes, although the previous owner has been nothing but gracious, and a pleasure to deal with, this car has turned out to have issues that I never expected. It confirms that I probably should have flown out and driven the car for myself before buying...or just passed it up.

This morning on my way to my first clients of the day, the car stalled out several times on its own:eek: I was driving in the rain, and decelerating from ~25 mph for a light, as I slipped it from 2nd to neutral, the car just died. It started right back up, but then at the very next light, the same thing happened, and the car could not hold an idle, forcing me to manually hold the throttle open at around 1k rpm, as I was paranoid to let it stall again, fearing the car might decide not to start back up at all, leaving me stranded in heavy rain. Upon one of the start ups, the car hunted for idle, reving repeatedly between 500-1500 rpm, like a Civic w/a fast idle valve problem. This is very disconcerting to me, to say the least. Now I'm stuck with an NSX with issues. Thank God for this forum though, you guys are tremendously helpful and resourceful.

I have to go now for my next client, but I'll be checking back in for further insights. Thanks again!

Sounds like you may have a dirty throttle body. My 95 used to have the same problem when decelerating to a stop..it would just die. After cleaning the TB it was all good.
 
Daedalus said:
Sorry, I cannot believe the seller never had any of the problems you're finding or that he thought they were normal. Not cool at all..

Yes, I am disturbed by this as well, as it is hard to believe that I immediately had quite a few concerns with this car that I had specifically asked the seller about (shifting, CELs, drivability concerns such as stalling out). I wasn't looking to clean up anyone else's NSX mess, but it looks like I might be forced to do so now.:( I also took solace in how amazingly well maintained the exterior of the car is, and assumed the previous owner was equally meticulous in maintaining the rest of the car.:(

demigod said:
Sounds like you may have a dirty throttle body. My 95 used to have the same problem when decelerating to a stop..it would just die. After cleaning the TB it was all good.

Interesting, VERY helpful insight. I was considering checking for a idle air controller and cleaning it out real good with some carb cleaner, as I once had a similar idle problem like this on one of my WRX's. However, I don't even know what kind of idle air control the NSX has, lol. I once owned an '88 Civic hatchback that had idle issues that I resolved by cleaning the "fast idle valve" as it was called. So some sort of throttle body related problem seems reasonable.

Did you remove the throttle body from the vehicle, and do a toothbrush style cleaning, or just clean it out on the vehicle, and let the gunk blow through when you started it back up?:confused:

Thanks for the help!
 
Spray the cleaner in the TB as the motor revs, but not too much at one time ..just spray in small intervals or the car will die on you. I also wiped out the inlet real good.
 
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