Cold air intake vs. stock

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It seems a lot of people are reinstalling their factory airboxes. I was just about to ask this post about what cold air intake to buy. Any advice on IF I should even replace to a cold air system, and if so, what is the best system to buy/install? Any advice would be appreciated!

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For a normally aspirated car, the stock box is about as good as it gets, plus it has better filtration for engine safety. Most FI systems (except Comptech) require a different filter setup, which makes this a moot point. Of the true "cold air" systems out there, I know of only two, the Comptech Carbon Fiber airbox, and Dali's new setup. Both do what they say they do (well, except for HP gains!) with the Comptech allowing the stock air filter to remain in place and Dali's using one of the best "cone-type" filters out there. From there, it is just looks, sound, and bragging rights. HTH.

I have the CT cold air setup on my track car with a stock filter, and a naked K&N on the cruiser, cause I love the way it sounds. I was going to go back to stock on the '95, but may go Turbo in the near future and cannot use the stock box. Oh well, the choices we make in life
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As another option you may want to consider the ARC Super Induction Box.

Intake

I haven't heard of any hp gains or sound improvements(or anything at all) with this particular intake though.
 
Hi Jerry,

At one point, I switched to a K&N cone filter on my mostly-stock '91 NSX. I didn't notice any difference in power, although it did add a whoosh sound to the engine under acceleration.

I then heard our friend on the NSX Techline at Acura HQ tell us that he's seen more engine failures as a result of aftermarket intakes than any other aftermarket mod, because - despite their claims - they tend to let bigger particles of dirt into the engine than the stock air filter.

At that point I switched back to my stock air filter and box, which I have been using ever since.

HTH
 
nsxtacy,
I recently heard very much the same bit of information. Rather frightening since that is probably one of the most popular upgrades owners do first. I know I did.
I think soon I will be going back to stock.

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2 years ago I insalled a K&N filter (along with the stock filter gasket ) in the stock air box. On initial light acceleration you would hear a lot of whistling noise from the intake(like a turbo). The Acura dealer I bought the filter from called K&N who claimed not to be aware of any whistling noise...so I returned the filter to Acura and purchased a stock filter as I felt it ruined the stock intake sound.
 
I had the RM carbonfiber cone for a while. I liked it because of the increase in engine noise. Then I installed the Tubi and the intake didn't bring anything special to the sound anymore... and I switched back to OEM so I add safety and noise!
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I will probably go for a K&N OEM replacement when my OEM filter will need replacement. That should be as safe (or very similar) to the OEM one and will need no replacement anymore, only oil.
 
Try a Cantrell concept intake with a UNI fiter in a stock box. Awesome sound to the driver side vent. Couldn't get enough of it at 9200 rpm
 
Try using the HKS Super Mega Flow system. The thing about airflow modification is you need to modify the whole thing (headers, downpipe, exhausts) to get any meaningful gains in horsepower/torque. U won't get any significant change just by modding the air filters or downpipe.

Keyword: AIRFLOW
 
I have used the HKS Super Mega Flow *Filter* (not the whole system as written on the previous post) on other cars and have been disgusted by the filteration of the unit. I found sand on the INSIDE of the filter material along the velocity stack area of the filter. (Not fine sand mind you, the stuff you find at the beach). To preface this, I did have a cold air intake pipe leading from the front of the car to the filter so dirt particles had a pretty straight path right to my filter. But heck, you hold the filter element up to a stong light and you can pretty much see right through the thing. I was not a happy camper to say the least.

My recomendataion would be to stick with OEM or the Uni filter. UNI and Amsoil both use high tack filter oil that has got be be three to four times as thick as the K&N filter oil which I felt was the same viscosity as the HKS filter oil that comes on the filter replacements.

IMO, stay way the hell away from the HKS filters, unless of course you don't mind a little grit in your cylinders. But on the bright side, I am sure with such decreased filteration you *DO* get great airflow.

(This is not a flame against the previous post,.... Honestly. But I am emphatic about these filters and their filteration performance, or lack there of.)

Jeff
 
It seems a lot of people are reinstalling their factory airboxes...Any advice IF I should [switch] to a cold air system, and if so, what is the best system to buy/install?

I have a Cantrell air intake (Dali also sells a similar product), a K&N drop-in OEM style filter and stock airbox. With the intake taken care of, the exhaust is addressed with RM headers and a TAITEC GT Competition muffler. Both the intake and the exhaust should be improved if you want the biggest horsepower increase. Initially I just installed headers and the hp increase was barely noticeable. Improving both the intake and the exhaust made a big difference.

As a bonus, the sound (again, both intake and exhaust) is wonderful and there was a significant improvement in performance - at least that is what my uneducated butt and my comparison of track times tells me!

I then heard our friend on the NSX Techline at Acura HQ tell us that he's seen more engine failures as a result of aftermarket intakes than any other aftermarket mod, because - despite their claims - they tend to let bigger particles of dirt into the engine than the stock air filter.

While it is hard to believe that an engine would fail outright from a poor job done by an aftermarket air filter, I suppose anything is possible. It is more likely that the engine would suffer premature wear from the grit missed by the filter acting like sandpaper and grinding on the cylinder walls.

What you have to remember is that auto manufacturers - even manufacturers of high performance exotics - must keep costs in line. That includes manufacturing costs and servicing costs. Paper filters are cheaper to manufacture than cotton gauze and oil filters like K&N. And when the paper filters become dirty you just throw them out and drop in a new one (what could be cheaper?), whle the K&N filter needs to be sprayed with a cleaner and then carefully washed, set aside to dry for several hours and then re-oiled. Not only does it take a lot of time (which costs more $) it has to be done properly. That is something a less careful mechanic may not do (and a dealer does not want to do because they won't make money at it) but a car nut will not only do it properly (usually), they will enjoy doing it! In light of the foregoing it is my personal, reasonably held (at least I think so) opinion, based on my (pretty thorough) review of various articles (technical and otherwise - some even had pictures) and advertising literature and what little I can recall from the Mechanical Engineering degree I obtained from a fine University that, if properly maintained, a K&N filter will probably, most likely do as good a job, and maybe better, in both filtering (or maybe not) and flowing air (I am pretty sure about this one, but I know someone will disagree) than OEM.
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But it will cost more and is much more of a nuisance to maintain.

You might also take some comfort in knowing that Dodge installed K&N filters in the Viper GTS LeMans Special Edition a few years ago. As for the other aftermarket types of filters I don't know if they can make that sort of claim to OEM validation.


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I have returned to using the OEM filter, rather than the K&N drop in filter. Like someone said I didn't like the fact that I could see through it, in some places there seem to be some places where there are gaps in the fabric. After all, is the increase in power worth the cost of the engine?

I used to have a K&N filter in a previous car. I ran that for 70,000 miles, from 50k to 120k miles during my ownership of the car. The engine didn't blow up, burn oil or anything else, so maybe there isn't anything to worry about.

After looking at Dali's graphs on filter performance and power gains, the OEM filter works best over the full rpm range. Aftermarket gains, are always quoted as peak gains. So there may be a peak gain of 5bhp when using a K&N filter, but if it causes a drop in power at all other rpm speeds then what is the point?

I have removed the pipe that leads into the airbox, inside the fender. That makes enough change to the intake sound for me.
 
Originally posted by NSX Maven:
It is more likely that the engine would suffer premature wear from the grit missed by the filter acting like sandpaper and grinding on the cylinder walls. ]

I talked to "woodwork" about this issue a while back. Basically the problem was, as you suggest, that Honda was seeing a lot of oil consumption problems, mostly on Integras that had "aftermarket intakes".

The actual brand of intake and whether it had been installed correctly (i.e. oiled if it was K&N-type) was not tracked by Honda. But they got tired of rebuilding those engines under warranty so they just issued a policy that warranty would be denied for that type of problem if they knew the car had used an aftermarket intake.

I suspect most of the problems they saw were related to people ragging out their cars and/or installing crappy products and/or installing them incorrectly and/or failing to maintain them properly.

So I left the K&N cone on my '91 NSX. It was on there for over 50k miles and the car didn't consume any oil when I sold it. Just my opinion.

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NSX Maven posted:
>>If properly maintained a K&N filter will do as good a job, and probably better, in both filtering and flowing air than OEM.

I have been involved in adjudicating several blown engines with American Honda and I have seen hundreds of pages of data at AH that disputes this. What is your data for this remark? If I damage my engine because I used a K&N filter will you pay for a rebuild? Because Honda, with millions of vehicle miles experience, will not. And what would you say to a K&N filter that was improperly installed, letting unfiltered air into the engine? Can you guarantee the installer knows as much about airflow and fastener engineering as the OEM designers and builders? This type of mis-information - taking someone's personal opinion as fact - is no service to the NSX community.
 
Thanks for all the info! I happen to manage a Honda dealership, and we do see lots of aftermarket intakes on customer service cars, and as of yet, we've seen no failures because of the intake mods. I was really hoping to gain some sound improvements, as the Honda Civic my son and I built really has a great intake sound. Given the risks and the relative cost of a new NSX engine, I'll probably leave well enough alone. Thanks again for all the advice!
 
If you want some more induction growl, you could consider the drop-in Uni dual-stage foam filter. Increases the growl, but retains the factory airbox for better performance and filtration...

http://www.scienceofspeed.com/products/exhaust_airflow_products/NSX/Uni

Cheers,
-- Chris

Originally posted by JMeade:
Thanks for all the info! I happen to manage a Honda dealership, and we do see lots of aftermarket intakes on customer service cars, and as of yet, we've seen no failures because of the intake mods. I was really hoping to gain some sound improvements, as the Honda Civic my son and I built really has a great intake sound. Given the risks and the relative cost of a new NSX engine, I'll probably leave well enough alone. Thanks again for all the advice!



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This type of mis-information - taking someone's personal opinion as fact - is no service to the NSX community.

Now don't sit on the fence, just come out and tell me you disagree with me. I won't mind!
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To clarify my post I have suitably qualified it to reflect that is my opinion.

I agree with Lud. If some no-nothing installs a crap filter on their Integra, then proceeds to wail on the engine for 40k or so (all the while not changing the oil frequently), of course the engine is going to turn into an oil seive. But K&N makes quality products which is why Dodge used them as an OEM install in the Viper GTS LeMans version. And if they are well maintained and you don't treat your engine like you hate it I think the K&N can be every bit as good as OEM (or better). But it will cost more to operate.


And what would you say to a K&N filter that was improperly installed, letting unfiltered air into the engine?

I would say: "Filter, you are not doing your job if you are not properly installed. Now, straighten out and suck it in properly, like we know you can!"
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[This message has been edited by NSX Maven (edited 13 March 2003).]
 
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