Clevis pin installation on parking brakes

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I just completed the brake pad replacement on my 2000. When I disconnected the cable for the parking brakes I noted that the retaining pin was inserted from the bottom of the cable clevis and the retaining clip was on the top. I thought this odd as the service manual clearly shows the pin installed from the top and I am pretty sure that the brakes have been untouched since the car came out of the factory (slightly less than 70,000 mi, I am 3rd owner). On reinstallation of the caliper, it became apparent why the pins were inserted from the bottom. I attempted to get the pin inserted from the top; but, the head of the pin was hitting the caliper body which was preventing it from dropping straight down. I fiddled around for about 15 min trying to get it inserted and then gave up. If they had been installed upside down for 70,000 mi without incident, I figured it was probably good enough.

As a matter of curiosity because I am not going to change it, has anybody managed to insert the pin from the top? If so, what was the secret?

And as a tip for those doing pad replacements. Last year I had my brake system flushed as part of routine maintenance. The guy flushing the system topped up the master cylinder reservoir to the max, which I guess was the thing to do. However, with 70,000 mi on the pads the caliper pistons were fairly far out which meant that there was a fair amount of fluid displacement by the time the pistons had been pushed / rotated back far enough to get them over the new pads. This caused a momentary panic attack when I discovered a rather large puddle of fluid forming under the front of the car, however, exploration showed that the top of the brake reservoir was wet with fluid. If your brake pads are fairly worn and your brake fluid reservoir is full, you might want to siphon some off to avoid the overflow problem.

Second tip. If you are cleaning and re greasing the sliding caliper pins (which you should), be aware that the top and bottom pins on the rear calipers are not identical. The top pin has a little plastic collar on the end of it. The bottom one doesn't. They appear identical and I don't know whether the top would fit in the bottom; however, I only noticed this little collar after having completed the RR brake and working on the LR brake. This generated one of those did I do it correct moments which caused me to go back to the right side and pull everything apart to confirm that it was assembled correctly (it was). Just something to watch out for. The fronts do not have different top and bottom pins.

As a matter of interest, at 70,000 mi I have minimal wear on the discs. Standard thickness on the fronts is 28 mm and the service limit is 26 mm. Both front discs measured out at 27.6 - 27.7 mm. I am sure that the track dudes would chew through the discs and pads much much faster.
 
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I have inserted pin from top, as that is the way it was installed when I removed. I recall it was a tight fit pin would just slide in, one side was a little harder than the other I cannot remember which side. You can also try adjusting the park brake to give you a bit more slack in the cable which makes sliding the pin in a little easier with slack. The adjustment is done by taking the center console box out and the brake cable adjustment nuts are right there. Hopefully this helps.
 
You can also try adjusting the park brake to give you a bit more slack in the cable which makes sliding the pin in a little easier with slack. The adjustment is done by taking the center console box out and the brake cable adjustment nuts are right there. Hopefully this helps.

I could see that working. I was having to rotate the parking brake actuator arm back to reach the clevis on the cable which placed the hole in the actuator arm closer to the caliper body. Some slack in the cable would allow the clevis to move further forward and away from the caliper body. However, the thought of having to pull apart interior body bits to un adjust and then readjust the parking brake has no appeal. When Honda assembled the car they probably hooked up the cable and then adjusted the parking brake action.
 
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Yup, me too. I could not get the pin back in from the top on my '91. They have been put in from the bottom.
 
Second tip. If you are cleaning and re greasing the sliding caliper pins (which you should), be aware that the top and bottom pins on the rear calipers are not identical. The top pin has a little plastic collar on the end of it. The bottom one doesn't. They appear identical and I don't know whether the top would fit in the bottom; however, I only noticed this little collar after having completed the RR brake and working on the LR brake. This generated one of those did I do it correct moments which caused me to go back to the right side and pull everything apart to confirm that it was assembled correctly (it was). Just something to watch out for. The fronts do not have different top and bottom pins.

Actually the front brake does have different pins top & bottom. The lower one has a flat on it and the upper one is plain. I have no clue what the reason for this is though.
 
I always put the pin in from the bottom because getting it up and out from the top is a pain. and it will hit the caliper and you are fighting to get out from the top.
as long as the lock pin is inserted its not going to fall out.

and getting the lock pin inserted from the top is easy if you have the wheel off LOL there is no way you cant see the hole if you spin the pin and see the hole to insert it.
 
Interesting. I just installed new pads on the rear of my '96 this morning. While it was a tight fit, it was by no means difficult to install the pin from the top & install the cotter pin on the bottom. It does require the parking brake lever ("hand brake lever") in the cabin to be fully released (but that's required to lift off the caliper anyway). This was original pads, etc at 74,800 miles.
 
Actually the front brake does have different pins top & bottom. The lower one has a flat on it and the upper one is plain. I have no clue what the reason for this is though.

Well that's enough to burn my .....!

The service manual diagram for the rears clearly shows the difference between the top and bottom pins on the rear calipers. However, the service manual diagram for the front calipers does not differentiate between the top and bottom pins. In the service manual diagram, both the top and bottom pins appear to have flats running almost the length of the pin, which is what I remember. However, when I check the on-line parts diagram for my 2000, it does show different top and bottom pins with different part numbers. As you describe, it looks like the bottom pin has a flat running the length of the pin (which happens to look just like both the top and bottom pins on my car); but, the top pin appears to be completely round.

Does anybody have some insight as to what is going on with the front caliper pin arrangement?
 
I could see that working. I was having to rotate the parking brake actuator arm back to reach the clevis on the cable which placed the hole in the actuator arm closer to the caliper body. Some slack in the cable would allow the clevis to move further forward and away from the caliper body. However, the thought of having to pull apart interior body bits to un adjust and then readjust the parking brake has no appeal. When Honda assembled the car they probably hooked up the cable and then adjusted the parking brake action.

There is not really that much to pull apart, you only need to take out the center storage box 4 screws once the cover plate is removed from the bottom of the box. I have never had to readjust after wards.
 
Just did this Saturday, pins inserted from the top. One thing I found is the lever must be all the way against it's rest to get clearance for the pin. Also I had a slight alignment issue once the cable was off(it was hard to get off, btw), I could not get it to align with the lever, and I needed to adjust the e-brake cable(loosen it). If you adjust the ebrake cable with other then new pads, when you install new pads the cable may need to be adjusted.

My $.02

Regards,
LarryB
 
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