Chappelle, eh??
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wow,.....i wouldn't be surprised if it were all true. i think its really sad and unfair for dave. if i was dave i would be plotting the downfall for each and every one of the dark crusaders, if it were true. it pisses me off. i loved that show.
I read the whole thing as well..... I think without any tangible proof like "photos" posted..recorded calls...etc, it is just that.. a THEORY.
I love that show as well, but I think that the write-up is complete..."FICTION":wink:
Mike
I love that show as well, but I think that the write-up is complete..."FICTION":wink:
Mike
Sad as it might be, there is a hidden point in that story- Chappelle's show really didn't do much for the image of Black Americans.
It made humor that for the most part had been PC'd out of the common usage "OK" again, and the audience (made up of mostly white males) enjoyed the "ok-ness" of the humor since it was presented by a black man.
At it's pinnacle you couldn't go anywhere without some middle-class white kid telling you he was Rick James, and then calling you a bitch.
I admit, I laughed at the time, but looking at it from a different perspective I feel a bit ashamed to have laughed so hard at a show that portrayed part of our society so negatively.
Just because it makes you laugh doesn't mean it is a good thing.
Of course- there is the counter point, which is...
What exactly do Larry the Cable Guy, and Jeff Foxworthy, and Blue Collar TV do for the image of White Americans?
Then again, White Americans never had to battle for equal treatment in this country.
Just a thought- and of course, nothing against those who enjoyed the show.
Philip
It made humor that for the most part had been PC'd out of the common usage "OK" again, and the audience (made up of mostly white males) enjoyed the "ok-ness" of the humor since it was presented by a black man.
At it's pinnacle you couldn't go anywhere without some middle-class white kid telling you he was Rick James, and then calling you a bitch.
I admit, I laughed at the time, but looking at it from a different perspective I feel a bit ashamed to have laughed so hard at a show that portrayed part of our society so negatively.
Just because it makes you laugh doesn't mean it is a good thing.
Of course- there is the counter point, which is...
What exactly do Larry the Cable Guy, and Jeff Foxworthy, and Blue Collar TV do for the image of White Americans?
Then again, White Americans never had to battle for equal treatment in this country.
Just a thought- and of course, nothing against those who enjoyed the show.
Philip
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I don't disagree with your post, but would like to use this one sentence of yours to amplify -
The bottom line is that white (i.e., mixed European) Americans really have absolutely no clue what it's like being a "minority", and that their thoughts on the matter are worth very, very little, if anything at all.
I'm Asian American, and the only time I've ever been upset with anyone for anything of this sort is when I was younger and a white buddy of mine said to me, "Oh, please, this is California, you don't have to deal with racism. People aren't racist here." It was at that very moment that I realized that white folks lead a very, VERY different existence here in the States, and their failure to realize the magnitutde or existence of the type of shit minorities have to go through stems from the fact that they themselves have never dealt with it. So to them, it doesn't exist, or is somehow exagerrated.
It's mainly minor stuff that happens on a day to day basis. White folks, would you ever in a million years think the first things out of a policeman's mouth to you would be, "Do you speak English?"
That being said though, I still think Dave Chappelle's skits are really funny. I think he makes fun of "ghetto" black folk in his skits to move the rest of their community forward.
The bottom line is that white (i.e., mixed European) Americans really have absolutely no clue what it's like being a "minority", and that their thoughts on the matter are worth very, very little, if anything at all.
I'm Asian American, and the only time I've ever been upset with anyone for anything of this sort is when I was younger and a white buddy of mine said to me, "Oh, please, this is California, you don't have to deal with racism. People aren't racist here." It was at that very moment that I realized that white folks lead a very, VERY different existence here in the States, and their failure to realize the magnitutde or existence of the type of shit minorities have to go through stems from the fact that they themselves have never dealt with it. So to them, it doesn't exist, or is somehow exagerrated.
It's mainly minor stuff that happens on a day to day basis. White folks, would you ever in a million years think the first things out of a policeman's mouth to you would be, "Do you speak English?"
That being said though, I still think Dave Chappelle's skits are really funny. I think he makes fun of "ghetto" black folk in his skits to move the rest of their community forward.
H-carWizKid said:
Mike Hughes said:
I think that your comment is a little over-generalized. Rather than singling out all "white" Americans, you would probaby be better served by saying that any individuals who are used to being predominantly in the majority are generally clueless when it comes to discrimination and racism.
White (i.e., mixed European) Americans are in the minority here in New Mexico. I know several "white" friends who grew up in northern New Mexico who were subjected to almost daily harassment on all levels. A woman I know pulled her daughter out of high school and sent her to live with a relative in Minnesota because of how bad she was getting beat up in school and how high the threats were escalating. Unfortunately, this is the rule rather than the exception in many communities in this state. There are many places here in the USA where "white" Americans are very much in the minority and are often subjected to racism. It's nowhere near as commonplace as racism against non-Caucasian races, but it does happen.
Also, I take offense to you saying that my comments (being a "white" Amercian") are worth little, if anything, at all on the matter. While most "white" Americans have no idea what it's like to be a minority or discriminated against, there are plenty of "white" Americans who have had more than their fair share of racist incidents directed at them. Also, realize that hate doesn't necessarily have to be fueled by skin color. There are people out there who can just as easily hate you for being a different religion, or a different sexual orientation, or one of any number of things. Try to grow up gay in a small Wyoming town, non-Mormon in a small Utah town, non-Hispanic in a small New Mexican town, non African-American in some Detroit boroughs, or non-Baptist in a small Alabama town. While white-on-anything is seems to be the single greatest source of racism and hate in the USA, it's not the ONLY source of hate and racism. Don't pile "white" Americans all into one homogenous group, because you're only doing the same thing you'd get upset for when someone makes a rude/inappropriate comment about your ethnic group (Asian-Americans).
/soapbox
Chuck
Mike Hughes said:
I thought that was my point- That we might not realize just how detrimental this "funny" show was to those whose images are directly linked to the humor. Looking at it from the perspective of minority representatives we might not have been as amused.
Again- no soap box here- just a different perspective.
Some of the things that show made seem "ok" would have been considered racial epitaphs only a few years back.
Comparing your anecdotal case of the harassement a single white girl experiences in high school to the national history long-standing, systemic, socially accepted, economic and social racism against Africans and, to a much lesser extent, Asians in this country is exactly the kind of ignorance I'm talking about. Think "centuries of discrimination", not "my daughter gets beat up at school." For her, there was an out - moving to Minnesota. Most people don't have that option.
No offense, but you simply don't know, and isolated incidents like that really aren't comparable. The fact that you think it's even in the same ballpark and order of magnitude is evidence, to me, of my initial claim.
You have a point on the religion and creed thing, but that's another story.
Mike Hughes
No offense, but you simply don't know, and isolated incidents like that really aren't comparable. The fact that you think it's even in the same ballpark and order of magnitude is evidence, to me, of my initial claim.
You have a point on the religion and creed thing, but that's another story.
Mike Hughes
Viper Driver said:
And before you nail me as some kind of crazy liberal or something, you should know that I'm fairly conservative and don't feel anyone owes anyone a god damned thing today, just that the issue of acknowledgement is a pet peeve of mine.
This is one of the most retarded things I've ever read on this forum. Mike, I see that you are one seriously close-minded dude. It's a shame, too, because I respected your opinion until now.Mike Hughes said:
That's fine with me, dude. I wasn't planning on invoicing you or something.
But really, "white people don't know what it's like being a minority" ... chew on that. How is that hard to believe/agree with? Please try to comprehend what I am saying on a fundamental level, not at a reactionary and/or politically correct level.
But really, "white people don't know what it's like being a minority" ... chew on that. How is that hard to believe/agree with? Please try to comprehend what I am saying on a fundamental level, not at a reactionary and/or politically correct level.
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Yeah, I was agreeing with you. That's why my first statement was that I agreed with your post. 
H-carWizKid said:
Actually, it is the part where you said "and that their thoughts on the matter are worth very, very little, if anything at all" that I thought was inane. By that remark you are showing that you believe all white people to be ignorant, non-thinking dimwits who can't see past their noses. Right?Mike Hughes said:
And what are talking about with the word "invoicing?"
Back to subject, what is the deal with the movie advertisement at the end of the chappelle story?
"Oprah Winfrey leaned forward and whispered in my ear "you better watch your step — we're representing interests more powerful than you can imagine. You do remember that Farrakhan killed Malcom, and that Cosby, Johnson and I have more money than God — we can keep this harassment up forever. Is this what you want your life to be like Dave?""
lol. I didn't realize Oprah was such a badass.
lol. I didn't realize Oprah was such a badass.
Mike Hughes said:
Simply amazing and so sad at the same time that you could be so openly ignorant.:frown:
Mike Hughes said:
I don't really need to defend myself from assertions made by someone who knows so very little about me, but I'm bored so what the hell.
/opens a can of worms
Not once did I infer or allude to my examples being similar in numbers or frequency than what one would normally think as being "racism". You don't really know me, or anything about what I have experienced in life. Don't call me something you aren't prepared to back up with evidence. I am most certainly not ignorant, and I have made no attempt here to minimize your assertions or refute them. I merely wanted for you to reconsider your brash generalization that every single white person out there is ignorant. Actually, you making that comment is pretty damn ignorant in and of itself.
As for my examples being "anecdotal," try being one of the victims in the settings I provided. Do you think that my one high school example is the only incident I'm talking about? Did you not read all of what I wrote? I said that this type of hispanic-on-white racism is prevalent and all-too-common in many nothern New Mexico towns (read: NOT an isolated incident). It's been commonplace for a long time now as well.......Santa Fe is the oldest capital city in the United States. I'm not claiming that northern New Mexico to "whites" is the equivalent of the southeastern USA in the mid-fifties to African-Americans or the forties to Japanese-Americans, but I'm merely making a point that racism and hate can be exerted from any local majority group upon any local minority group. Here in New Mexico, especially in the north, "whites" ARE the minority.
This one I have to dispute as well:
So you're saying that for whites there is always an out, and for others there isn't?
Racism is not reserved exclusively for one type of skin color, nor is it perpetrated by a single race. Racism, like all forms of hate, can happen anywhere and anytime. If you choose to deny that there's a Caucaisan in the USA who is capable of understanding what racism really is, then you will forever be flat-out wrong and forever be flat-out ignorant yourself.
By the way, I love Dave Chappelle. I saw him live in concert one night and he is still one of the funniest comedians I've ever seen in person.
Chuck
What a conspiracy theory! Very entertaining, but extremely hard to believe...
It sounds like this thread is changing topics. Let me share a story before I make my point.
A Japanese American friend of mine is an avid climber. He and a few Asian friends were traveling through a remote part of Utah on a climbing trip. On the way home, they stopped at a Denny's to grab some lunch. They parked their Toyota Camry in a parking lot full of American pickup trucks. There was no other type of vehicle in the lot. Perhaps that should have tipped them off to what was to come...
They walked into the restaurant, bustling with noise and activity. Then everything stopped. You could hear a pin drop as everyone was staring at them. And they were staring in disapproval of their very presence. They decided to order their food to go.
They quickly ordered, and when the food came, two of them went up to the cashier to pay and the other two went outside. My friend gave the cashier some money, and then the cashier said, "Here's your change," and threw it at him in a baseball pitch fashion. Needless to say, his money went everywhere. In disbelief, he looked around the restaurant at people's reactions. They returned his look with a look of "that's what you get for being here."
As he was picking up his change, the two friends who had exited the restaurant came back in. They pointed out the restaurant window to his car, which was surrounded by men with sticks and bats. They had no choice but to walk out to the parking lot to try to leave. My friends had to apologize for their presence, just to get into the car to leave.
To top off the day, they stopped at a gas station in town to fill up. A family of Mexicans happened to be passing through town also, and they were lost. The father was asking the attendant for directions, but was having trouble communicating due to his poor English (though my friend said he was completely understandable to him). He kept repeating the same street name that he was looking for, but the attendant acted like he couldn't understand. "Speak English!" He began to speak louder and louder, in frustration. The attendant's response? "Don't make me get out my stick, BOY!"
Now my friend is a fourth generation Japanese American; he doesn't even speak a word of Japanese. He's also a high school teacher, a brilliant musician, and a kind and generous soul.
So what was his reaction to what had happened to him? He was SMILING and LAUGHING as he was telling me the story. He can only thank God that nothing bad happened to him, and never return to that area again. Sometimes, the world is an ugly place.
Now my point is this: although Mike may have chosen his words poorly by making generalizations about ALL white people, I agree with the sentiment. MOST white people in this country will never hear about an experience like this from one of their white friends, let alone experience it themselves. I imagine something like this happening is beyond comprehension for most rational people, regardless of color. I'm not so sure I would have brushed it off so easily.
So folks, please don't rush the judgement on Mike's comments. I don't think he meant to offend anyone. I read his comments as meaning that sympathizing is not the same thing as going through it.
Mike
It sounds like this thread is changing topics. Let me share a story before I make my point.
A Japanese American friend of mine is an avid climber. He and a few Asian friends were traveling through a remote part of Utah on a climbing trip. On the way home, they stopped at a Denny's to grab some lunch. They parked their Toyota Camry in a parking lot full of American pickup trucks. There was no other type of vehicle in the lot. Perhaps that should have tipped them off to what was to come...
They walked into the restaurant, bustling with noise and activity. Then everything stopped. You could hear a pin drop as everyone was staring at them. And they were staring in disapproval of their very presence. They decided to order their food to go.
They quickly ordered, and when the food came, two of them went up to the cashier to pay and the other two went outside. My friend gave the cashier some money, and then the cashier said, "Here's your change," and threw it at him in a baseball pitch fashion. Needless to say, his money went everywhere. In disbelief, he looked around the restaurant at people's reactions. They returned his look with a look of "that's what you get for being here."
As he was picking up his change, the two friends who had exited the restaurant came back in. They pointed out the restaurant window to his car, which was surrounded by men with sticks and bats. They had no choice but to walk out to the parking lot to try to leave. My friends had to apologize for their presence, just to get into the car to leave.
To top off the day, they stopped at a gas station in town to fill up. A family of Mexicans happened to be passing through town also, and they were lost. The father was asking the attendant for directions, but was having trouble communicating due to his poor English (though my friend said he was completely understandable to him). He kept repeating the same street name that he was looking for, but the attendant acted like he couldn't understand. "Speak English!" He began to speak louder and louder, in frustration. The attendant's response? "Don't make me get out my stick, BOY!"
Now my friend is a fourth generation Japanese American; he doesn't even speak a word of Japanese. He's also a high school teacher, a brilliant musician, and a kind and generous soul.
So what was his reaction to what had happened to him? He was SMILING and LAUGHING as he was telling me the story. He can only thank God that nothing bad happened to him, and never return to that area again. Sometimes, the world is an ugly place.
Now my point is this: although Mike may have chosen his words poorly by making generalizations about ALL white people, I agree with the sentiment. MOST white people in this country will never hear about an experience like this from one of their white friends, let alone experience it themselves. I imagine something like this happening is beyond comprehension for most rational people, regardless of color. I'm not so sure I would have brushed it off so easily.
So folks, please don't rush the judgement on Mike's comments. I don't think he meant to offend anyone. I read his comments as meaning that sympathizing is not the same thing as going through it.
Mike
I have to ask too, so what's up with Charlie Murphy's film trailer??
I too read the whole thing and wasted my time, (reading white words in black background in such a small fonts is quite a punishment.) I too kind of surprised by all those facts... Really, do the so-called "black crusader" be that narrow minded?? Especially for people in that profile (and wealth), they wouldn't risk doing this to Dave Chellepe....
I mean, I don't see there's any movement killing William Hung, as he giving all living Black hair asian a "dork" image...
PS. I too loved Dave Chappelle's show. I don't know how the impact is in the society level, but as a person, if one can poke fun with their own weakness, embarrassed moment; he is a bigger man. What's not right about the chappelle's show's character when you see them everyday. (or heard jokes about it anyway??) Yeah, if there's a 3rd or 4th Chappelle show, he must have already playing someone in Katrina and the thanksgiving walmart's shopping craze......
I too read the whole thing and wasted my time, (reading white words in black background in such a small fonts is quite a punishment.) I too kind of surprised by all those facts... Really, do the so-called "black crusader" be that narrow minded?? Especially for people in that profile (and wealth), they wouldn't risk doing this to Dave Chellepe....
I mean, I don't see there's any movement killing William Hung, as he giving all living Black hair asian a "dork" image...
PS. I too loved Dave Chappelle's show. I don't know how the impact is in the society level, but as a person, if one can poke fun with their own weakness, embarrassed moment; he is a bigger man. What's not right about the chappelle's show's character when you see them everyday. (or heard jokes about it anyway??) Yeah, if there's a 3rd or 4th Chappelle show, he must have already playing someone in Katrina and the thanksgiving walmart's shopping craze......
Did anyone read the disclaimer? http://www.chappelletheory.com/disclaimer.html
deedubb said:
That's funny, and I also thought the trailer at the end was hilarious too. Reminds me of the M. Night Shamalan parody that made a lot of people think that M. Night had spooky powers and that he didn't show up completely in photos. Advertising, funny...
Try? I don't have to try. It's happened to me throughout my life at various points, chronically and acutely. It's not really a big deal, but it happens. Your assumption that I have never had to deal with this is compelling proof, to me at least, of your inability to understand (my) life as a minority.
If you read what I wrote again, very carefully, you will see that you are completely over-reacting. Let's deconstruct.
"White people don't know what it's like being a minority."
Being a "minority" in this country means, de facto, through media and society, NOT WHITE. This is why they coined the term "minority-majority". Because it's not determined by numbers, it's determined by history.
So, let me rephrase.
White people don't know what it's like to be NOT WHITE.
I don't know how much clearer I could possibly make this.
Viper Driver said:
