Caravan to Chino Hills GTG on 08/16/07

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We're meeting up at the Tustin Marketplace at 6:45PM, to cruise over to the Chino Hills GTG around 7:30PM (meet starts at 7PM)

Here is the address of the Tustin Marketplace, its right off the I-5, we're meeting in the Best Buy parking lot:

2982 El Camino Real, Tustin, CA

1. eNeSeX 95T
2. Scorp965
3. You?

Here is the Chino Hills GTG thread:
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92521
 
Thanks for the invite my good friend NsxSupra.

I like forward to seeing you and Vance and FireSun there. :wink: :wink: :wink:

-Andy :biggrin:
 
Hey NsxSupra,

Thanks again for inviting me to a Nsx gathering. It was sweet and it was great to see some familiar faces like Firesun. Its been a long long time.

I will see you guys (both Scorp965 and NsxSupra) on the heated debate thread; Supercharger vs. Turbocharger!!!!

:cool:

-Andy
 
Ya it was pretty random heres the pic i took. :biggrin:

<img src="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/Berny928/DSC00150.jpg">
 
I will see you guys (both Scorp965 and NsxSupra) on the heated debate thread; Supercharger vs. Turbocharger!!!!
That was the most frustrating debate ever, but please don't get the wrong idea. We was debating on other topic, not really SC vs Turbo. That would be a shallow topic to debate imho. I am more of a turbo guy actually, but I don't have the money to built the motor.

Well debate is over. We cruise together on the way back had chance to do 70~160mph blast. I cleared the lane for him, made sure there is nothing in front of him. Heard him downshifted. Signaled with my hand for him to go for a slight head start, I acutally waited twice just to be 100% sure, because I don't want people to give me excuse afterwards.

Really both cars are equal in both real life and power/weight ratio. The result proven that. I earned my respect, equal respect for John. No more debate on this topic necessary from now on.

PS: I actually hate debates. No more please
 
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Ya it was pretty random heres the pic i took. :biggrin:

<img src="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/Berny928/DSC00150.jpg">

Yeah, that is Random. Has anyone seen this Nsx before other than last nite? Did the white Veilside Nsx try to run anyone of you guys? :cool:

If the white Veilside Nsx is on the Nsxprime, please step forward :wink:

-Andy
 
Yeah, that is Random. Has anyone seen this Nsx before other than last nite? Did the white Veilside Nsx try to run anyone of you guys? :cool:

If the white Veilside Nsx is on the Nsxprime, please step forward :wink:

-Andy

We bumped into a random white veilside nsx at the SGV meet a few weeks ago; another prime member also mentioned seeing a white veilside nsx at disneyland... It seems to be a popular nsx ;)
 
Hi John,

Woa! that was a quick reply~!~! Since you and Jason have closed the debate on me while I was having brain freeze with my Jamba juice, I wanted to chime in on the possible 3rd variable, which is the centrifugal type of Forced Induction. :biggrin:

BBSC w/ Aftercooler: Granted that the CTSC has more low end torque, but since the BBSC is comprised of a centrifugal type supercharger, it works almost similar to a turbocharger anyways. I know BBSC makes up its loss for the low end (much laggier than CTSC) with their high end which makes BBSC react and perform along the lines of a turbocharger. I viewed the BBSC as a F/I setup thats engineered itself between the CTSC and the Love Fab. The only thing that worries me, are all the horror stories people post on NsxPrime about detonation with the head and the split second box travesty... :eek:

Comptech SC = Hassle Free: From what I heard about the the Roots Type Comptech Supercharger it gives you the torque the Nsx lack of, without the huge sacrifice of rebuilding internals and its CARB legal for California residence. Its very reliable, and its a great setup for power to weight ratio vehicles (i.e. my Lotus Exige S has a roots type lol). Ideal for street performance and short tracks. :wink:

Love Fab or any type of Single Turbo setup: I know most people are favoring the Single Turbo kit, because it has vastly improved itself gradually into the Nsx community. If it wasn't for the Turbo kits, the Nsx had almost no hope of making 500+ hp without any worries, and would be unable to compete with some of the big dogs/dyno queens.

But if your planning on road racing (multiple short turn tracks) your Nsx, which was designed for. Then I believe a turbo setup may not be ideal. One scenario would be that it has absolute no torque when exiting out of a corner through the apex. I can imagine it must be difficult putting down all that power (possible 500+ rwhp) off the line without shaving off a couple seconds when the car is kicking its rear like crazy. However, it has a huge advantage on long straight aways, or if the road course/street involves less short turns. :cool:

Depending on your preference and what you believe your Nsx should be used for, you should go with that setup and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.

Thats my buy one get one free advice, :tongue:

-Andy
 
One scenario would be that it has absolute no torque when exiting out of a corner through the apex. I can imagine it must be difficult putting down all that power (possible 500+ rwhp) off the line without shaving off a couple seconds when the car is kicking its rear like crazy. However, it has a huge advantage on long straight aways, or if the road course/street involves less short turns. :cool:

Andy,

This situation can be greatly reduced through proper turbocharger selection, and your driving technique. If you're driving the car in such a way that from straight to corner, and from corner exit, the car loses boost, then yes, the sudden application of boost can have an ill effect, but if you maintain boost over the course of the track, if you blip the throttle in turns to spool up the turbocharger, if you know what type of power band to expect from your setup, then there is no longer any detriment.

A way to illustrate this concept is to look at turbocharger use in formula 1; could these cars, which some regard as the most advanced formula cars to ever race, dramatically outpace their non-turbocharged competitors, both on straights and in corners, if there were a fundamental flaw in the turbocharger design? Absolutely not. In addition, roots-type superchargers are regarded as 'positive displacement' units, in that they emulate a larger engine, yet 1.5L turbo engines were still defeating 3.5L non-turbo engines, even after massive boost restrictions in '87-'88, first at 4bar, then down to only 2 bar.

Being comfortable in your forced induction solution is of primary importance, being able to drive your car to the limit, with a higher power arrangement, will result in faster lap times, faster straight line speeds, and faster trips to the grocery store.


Regards,

John
 
.....will result in faster lap times, faster straight line speeds, and faster trips to the grocery store.

Regards,

John


Faster trip to the grocery store lol :biggrin:. With a mean ass Turbo setup on a Nsx, all you groceries would be flying around in your trunk anyways!

I have a weight reduced JGTC inspired Supra Turbo (I striped the interior into bare bones) and now the tail is kicking everywhere even more, regardless of the wider sticky tires I applied on, it still cant hold the tail down. Once the car is rolling and under control, then that becomes a whole different story.

Having a rear wheel drive instead of an all wheel drive, thats one flaw I wish the Nsx and the Supra both didnt have. (Remember? Audi TT Quattro conversation we had? OH YEAH!) Mitsubishi EVO is an all wheel drive compact car thats why they are highly regarded in their own class.


A way to illustrate this concept is to look at turbocharger use in formula 1; could these cars, which some regard as the most advanced formula cars to ever race, dramatically outpace their non-turbocharged competitors, both on straights and in corners, if there were a fundamental flaw in the turbocharger design?

You brought up Formula 1 cars that are forced induced, did you see the tires on those things? Their massive and the car is built for only one purpose, winning races. Need I to remind everyone, Nsx is a handling car "inspired" by Formula 1 Honda and aerodynamics of the F16 fighter jet. But none of which the Nsx truly possesses. But it is the next best thing though :biggrin:

The Nsx is designed with a Aluminum chassis rather than steel to improve handling (swaying) when steering into and out of corners. With a high boosted turbo setup, which I know most people have the itch to do, is "crank up the boost, crank up the boost!" It often leads to uncontrollable driving but it gives the sheer thrill of expected whiplash we all seek and imagine when sitting behind the wheel of a turbo car.


This situation can be greatly reduced through proper turbocharger selection

Lets be honest, proper turbocharger selections doesn't register to most Nsx owners. Since the community has been so horrified that there may never be any performance upgrade that can match with other high end performance vehicles, most of them bailed and sold their Nsx and moved up to the Italian supercars. For those who remained loyal, having to find out that is a rumor circulating around that there are Turbo kit (with high promises in horsepower gain) that has an application just for the Nsx, they would find themselves in complete disbelief and they would do whatever it takes to get their hands on something that has the most potential without any concerns about turbo selections, "Give me the highest horsepower Turbo kit on the market for the Nsx!"

Your one of the rare few people that actually give a $hit about proper turbo selection, so I applaud you for that if thats how you concluded your decision with your turbo setup.

-Andy
 
Only pic I took from the meet, it got dark really quickly:
chinohill_meet2.jpg


chinohill_meet.jpg
 
When is the German breakfast? And what is it you guys do there other than having just breakfast?

-A.
 
I'm up for tomorrow if anyone wants to join me ? However, it's a Sunday, so it will be busier there--probably a better idea to get there earlier (like 8:30 or 9:00). Who's interested ? BTW, the location is Gustav's Jaegerhaus in Anaheim (Ball Rd. and 57 FWY).
 
+1

Next time I want to order the same desert Calvin had last time.

Matt, Noticed your side markers in the two pics above? That looks really good, no more amber side markers.

Thanks jason I like it better to. Thanks for the idea for the tape. Mike You should start another thread in the socal section for the breakfast tomorrow.
 
Yeah, that is Random. Has anyone seen this Nsx before other than last nite? Did the white Veilside Nsx try to run anyone of you guys? :cool:

If the white Veilside Nsx is on the Nsxprime, please step forward :wink:

-Andy


Saw this car at Chinatown (Falken) showoff today, will upload some pics tonight. Its part of team Ark'n (sp?)
 
Saw this car at Chinatown (Falken) showoff today, will upload some pics tonight. Its part of team Ark'n (sp?)

I think because there was a car show in Little Tokyo, Tthat Nisei Showoff I think its called.

A friend of mine in my Lotus Exige club entered his car in there.

-Andy
 
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