bogle's 1991 mild build thread

Console final form

And here it is in situ, Console_v3Final-final.jpg:

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A lot of new new in that pic that was installed over the last few months: console, wiring, switches, carpet, knee bolster, phone mount, etc. It feels good and is looking a lot cleaner than before!

And that's it for console improvements. You made it, I made it, happy to be here. Onto bigger, gnarlier things...
 
getting some aircraft vibes from your mods...(y)
 
The car lives ... again. Money shots first

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I got a new whirley boi on the car: SoS TVS supercharger. Same same but different.

I’ve been jonesing for this thing since it came out. It looked like it had the flattest torque curve and the coldest air temps in the land, and I wanted as many v8 vibes my v6 is willing to put down. The car was quick before, honestly it had enough power, but the hedonic treadmill is real, I guess.

It’s larger than the CTSC it replaces (1.9 liters vs 1.6), is intercooled, and has a larger throttle body (75mm vs 68mm). After the first few drives, it produces about a half psi more boost than before, and air temps never break 120F in boost. My goal is a super consistent, weather independent 400-415 whp and just shy of 300 wtq.

First impressions

It took a couple passes to get the fueling in the ballpark. I'm pretty surprised how different its fuel needs are vs the CTSC. Overall it needed less fuel in vacuum (but not everywhere), and more in boost, but things were only off by max 5% in either direction.

It feels a lot more torquey everywhere, even in vacuum, which I didn't expect. Like going up small hills at 2500rpm require less throttle. Full throttle feels quicker, and the RPM charts are a tiny bit steeper. There is this stretch of road I usually do my 1-2-3 WOT test pull, but now it feels just a little too sketchy.

There is a super steep, straight, long hill by my place, which keeps the speeds under control, so that is now the new test pull area. Here's 2nd gear and a little into 3rd. 9.1 psi, no fade on a not-crazy-tight belt (90 lbs hot)

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Then the air temps. With the CTSC, it was a challenge to keep air temps down below 150F, even with the water / meth injection. It is just the nature of the non-intercooled setup. The new thing is air-to-water intercooled, and it works super well. I did a lot of stopping and starting in my last tuning pass, a recipe for heat in the CTSC, and after several hours of running the car, air temps never really broke 120 in boost. Here's that same pull with the temp chart at the bottom: max 120F, even without any water injection:

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Issues

It is, of course, not without issues. The biggest issue is that now the front bank runs leaner than the rear. This is the opposite of the last setup where the rear ran a little leaner. I don't know why yet. I would probably just leave it be, but there is new, even weirder behavior.

Sometimes the front bank will go super lean, like 3 points leaner than the rear. It happens consistently at 4k-5k rpm with light throttle in vacuum, check it out:

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I'm not sure what it is yet. I do feel hesitation when this happens, and with the o2 correction turned on it'll paper over it by adding like 15% fuel which solves the hesitation

This feels not normal enough that it could be a bad part, crimp, or ground. My plan is to recrimp a bunch of the terminals on the coil harness, replace all the front coils, replace the front plugs, move a known-questionable ground, and go back to the short, hard injector plug adapters instead of the wired ones.

It's possible none of that will change anything, though. If you have ideas, plz comment

There are other smaller issues
  • It feels a lot jerkier transitioning from vacuum to boost than the CTSC. There's a pretty big power surge, like it jumps from 0 to 2psi of boost immediately. My guess is that it is from the bypass valve suddenly closing, probably just the nature of it
  • The new throttle body is much less polished than the OEM one. It kind of sticks off 0, and the throttle plate blade doesnt engage to the TPS with much surface area. Sounds minor, but it caused a bunch of drama trying to get it to work at all, and junked one TPS already. The internal ears ripped off because of the lack of proper engagement surface area
  • One of the giant 12AN fittings on the intercooler water tank leaks a tiny bit. Not sure if it was my install or the fitting itself. It is tight AF, but still leaks a little out the fitting. Need to replace that soon

Install

Install itself was a saga with missing or incorrect parts at several steps. Then there were a whole bunch of other changes I had to make to get everything to fit there (move WMI tank, pump etc.). Probably up next is a bit of detail about all that
 
On your earlier post where you chose the NA1-R color. I recently purchased the Muse but chose the other color for LHD .

Any chance you know or anyone here knows what part number I could purchase to try and get the same color as NA2 option. Hour center console match looks great.

I too noticed that it did not fit perfectly and has some gap where the AC control is. Glad it wasn't just me thinking the fitment was less than stellar.
 
Have you swapped O2 sensors front and rear / replaced sensors? I spent a few weeks chasing my tail on a similar issue a few years back, turned out it was just a wideband sensor silently dying, and my AFR plots looked very similar to yours. Aftermarket wideband sensor management is generally not very good unfortunately, they are very finicky devices.
 
I have not replaced them, but that’s a good call. My thought was maybe I could trust them cause there is a hesitation when the lean condition happens and o2 correction is turned off, maybe they are actually reporting a lean condition. But they are pretty old now and very well could be failing, I’ll replace them as insurance

I went through a bunch of plots since getting the link, it looks like the front stated to diverge from the rear about a year ago. The march 2024 plots were slightly front lean, then plots in June were more off, sept, even more off. something is getting progressively worse, but not sure what. The big lean spikes are new as of the TVS install, though.

I did do some testing with spare coils I have and new plugs in the front bank. I also checked all the front bank crimps and things were fine. I have the injectors out at the cleaner, and will probably replace the rear coils with brand new too just cause. I only had time to test idle, but the front bank was still much leaner than the rear, so likely will require more effort
 
On your earlier post where you chose the NA1-R color. I recently purchased the Muse but chose the other color for LHD .

Any chance you know or anyone here knows what part number I could purchase to try and get the same color as NA2 option. Hour center console match looks great.

I too noticed that it did not fit perfectly and has some gap where the AC control is. Glad it wasn't just me thinking the fitment was less than stellar.
I don’t know off the top of my head what the part numbers are. I’d look at the Amayama catalogs for the 02 R. The part numbers will be the same except for the last 3 digits iirc

Yeah the climate hole is a little off on mine too,

I’ve driven it a few times since installing all the console stuff and I love it, though. I don’t notice the fitment issues at all. It’s so clean, the switches are perfect, and the phone mount magically charging is awesome
 
I don’t know off the top of my head what the part numbers are. I’d look at the Amayama catalogs for the 02 R. The part numbers will be the same except for the last 3 digits iirc

Yeah the climate hole is a little off on mine too,

I’ve driven it a few times since installing all the console stuff and I love it, though. I don’t notice the fitment issues at all. It’s so clean, the switches are perfect, and the phone mount magically charging is awesome
Thanks I will check that out. Your setup looks perfect! I wish I had purchased your color instead. I did not know it was available.
 
Thanks I will check that out. Your setup looks perfect! I wish I had purchased your color instead. I did not know it was available.
Yeah they really do a bad job of advertising these. I wasn’t sure of the color either, the evasive description said only something like “black”, and iirc it showed a RHD console. I was totally unsure what color and configuration I was getting. I was pleasantly surprised by the color mostly matching the early R parts, though
 
I'm a new member and just started reading up on interesting threads. This was a great read and love your build! Awesome to see you updating since 2020. Hoping to become an owner too if I can find an NA1 in white at the right price!
 
I'm a new member and just started reading up on interesting threads. This was a great read and love your build! Awesome to see you updating since 2020. Hoping to become an owner too if I can find an NA1 in white at the right price!
Thanks! Good luck in your search, love an NA1 in white, and def start a build thread when you get yours
 


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