Beware of VIN JH4NA1150NT000569 soon to be on the market

[RSO 34]

The owner was fishing around on facebook prime and casually mentioned a "flood issue on carfax". When I pointed out the car has a Florida Certificate of Destruction that got washed through New Hampshire and Massachusetts the facebook thread was deleted. He had been touting this as "clean title" car but it is a flood car. I expect it will be on the market soon so buyer beware.

http://www.nsxprime.com/forum/showthread.php/181162-Steal-of-the-century-VIN-JH4NA1150NT000569

 

[pjr300]

I saw that one too. Good warning! !

 

[JD Cross]

I believe the current owner bought the car from a New Hampshire owner and when he registered it in MA he was somehow able to get a clean title.
He was quite vocal about paying only $17.5 k for it.

 

[Stephen@NCAutoUSA]

Again I wish there was a stickies thread on prime with an ongoing list of vins. It seems that this is becoming more and more of an issue! Thanks Rso for keeping people honest.

Maybe Lud can chime in or we can get this taken care of. Although if you put in a bin these threads pop up it would be nice to collect a data base.

 

[RSO 34]

When I pointed out true history of the car in response to his Facebook touts after he bought it he changed his fb name. Now I did it again and there is no record of his latest fb identity in the Prime group despite him sending these messages to members interested in the car (note there is no mention of Florida branding and he acts like he just heard a rumor about something with a flood from a prior owner when he knows the full history I posted in his thread here on prime)





Here is one record he is forgetting to mention:

 

[DigitalFusion]

I messaged him on the car. He wants "at least 35K" for it as he wants to "get as much as possible"

 

[RPM217]

I messaged him on the car. He wants "at least 35K" for it as he wants to "get as much as possible"

My car is not for sale, but if it was, I'd want to get at least 135K for it!!!

 

[Lostbuckeye]

Thanks for having our backs again RSO. I opted out of FS Prime because it is a magnet for too many trolls. It was entertaining for a while then it just got too obnoxious. I like the NSX Owner's Group much better. So seeing your post here is helpful.

 

[RSO 34]

So another fb prime member noticed he posted an ad under his latest identity "Chino NSX Lynn" but when it was pointed out there is a Certificate of Destruction branding from Florida the ad is gone and so is the latest facebook identity of the seller, whose real name is CHANRITH CHEA.

Now I wonder why he would keep deleting his ad posts and changing his name (twice now in 48 hours) every time someone points out the florida title..............

 

[JD Cross]

Thanks for having our backs again RSO. I opted out of FS Prime because it is a magnet for too many trolls. It was entertaining for a while then it just got too obnoxious. I like the NSX Owner's Group much better. So seeing your post here is helpful.

I did the same.
It is entertaining though to drop in every few weeks and see what's being posted.

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So another fb prime member noticed he posted an ad under his latest identity "Chino NSX Lynn" but when it was pointed out there is a Certificate of Destruction branding from Florida the ad is gone and so is the latest facebook identity of the seller, whose real name is CHANRITH CHEA.

Now I wonder why he would keep deleting his ad posts and changing his name (twice now in 48 hours) every time someone points out the florida title..............

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I wondered if this would happen when after he bought it after he crowed far and wide about what a good deal he got and how the car was not that damaged and MA title was clean etc. etc.

 

[TURBO2GO]

I thoroughly looked at and drove this car as its local to me and my friend was buying an NSX. I found no signs of water damage, just a few odd electrical quirks like the window buttons and seat buttons worked backward. Up was down and down was up. Forward was back and back was forward. There's a lot of painted parts... Valve covers... Various brackets... I can't tell why. But the body is near flawless. Great looking paint. So new looking it made me suspicious that it was a repaint but I found no overspray anywhere at all. I guess it's just well cared for body. Nothing has faded other than wear on the seat bolsters. Car has some nice parts and sounds great. Comptech header and the exhaust is taitec seven though he thought it was a Comptech. I'm really amazed of how good it sounded. Power windows weren't slow and the Hvac seemed to work fine. The tach has an issue. I was at 6K and the engine management cuts fuel. I realized later by sound I was actually probably at 8200 or so... The tach is lazy but the engine is revving much faster. Under the car is very clean... The wheels are all scratch free except some minor scuffing on right rear. It drive straight but it will need a new clutch shortly and water pump and TB which chan already told me would need. Old owner said it was changed big there is no documentation on anything. He mentioned third gear synchro being worn but when I drive it I couldn't tell. If there is wear it's probably just started. I drove the car fully warm. So maybe when cold but it may be fine. Like I said I felt no grinding but I'm also not a novice NSX driver. So in the end my friend made an offer but they couldn't agree. I think for someone that will keep this car for a long time, not try to flip it, and is good mechanically this is a good car. I would think at worst you'd have to replace some wiring harnesses because of water damage but things seems to be fine on it. I smelled no mould on the carpet and just didn't see overt signs of a flood car. Anyway if anyone is considering the car feel free to contact me as I looked at it pretty thoroughly.

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Also I want to say I never get the feeling chan is some crook. I've known him a while now and yeah he's always changing Facebook names. I don't think it's to provide cover for anything. He's always been up front with me and even asked my advice when buying the car. I couldn't believe what he paid. He's a master at bargaining. It's even less than stated here. But he works hard to find these bargains so I think making a profit is OK. I don't know why some people get upset at that.

 

[RSO 34]

Also I want to say I never get the feeling chan is some crook. I've known him a while now and yeah he's always changing Facebook names. I don't think it's to provide cover for anything. He's always been up front with me and even asked my advice when buying the car. I couldn't believe what he paid. He's a master at bargaining. It's even less than stated here. But he works hard to find these bargains so I think making a profit is OK. I don't know why some people get upset at that.

People get upset when he touts it as a "clean title", casually mentions that he "heard" about a flood issue from the prior owner, fails to mention it has a Florida Certificate of Destruction branding, deletes each thread on facebook when anyone brings up the Certificate of Destruction, drops out of the Prime facebook group, changes his name (to another "alias" rather than use his real name), rejoins the facebook group under a new identity, posts the car for sale again and then repeats the deletion/name change habits as soon as the branding is brought up.

You don't see how some people might look at a person who does that with a certain amount of skepticism?

 

[TURBO2GO]

Bob what exactly is a certificate of destruction? I don't even know. How does that affect the car?

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I've seen the MA title. It is in fact a normal and clean title. The only clue about water issues with it is on carfax. So chan didn't lie about that part, the title is clear. Unless I'm missing something.

 

[RSO 34]

Bob what exactly is a certificate of destruction? I don't even know. How does that affect the car?

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I've seen the MA title. It is in fact a normal and clean title. The only clue about water issues with it is on carfax. So chan didn't lie about that part, the title is clear. Unless I'm missing something.

It means it can only be sold as scrap or shipped overseas. However, it was flat bedded to New Hampshire which doesn't require a title for cars older than 15 years and then sold to Massachusetts which issued a clean title because it came through New Hampshire with "no title".

 

[TURBO2GO]

But how does that certificate now effect the car to a buyer? I understand what went on. But it's essentially washed now right?

 

[RSO 34]

But how does that certificate now effect the car to a buyer? I understand what went on. But it's essentially washed now right?

It means any buyer paying for a clean title car is getting ripped off

 

[M. Rackham]

Hey Primers, those are screenshots from my conversation with him on the FB Prime page; as well as the Autocheck record which I screen-shotted from my phone. If anyone would lie the full record, I'd be more than willing to email it to you.

I was initially going to buy this car, until I looked up the history and talked with a few owners who warned me off.

 

[GaNSX]

I really hate for this to be my first post.... I've been lurking on this forum for a couple of years reading and learning tons about these cars. This car popped up on ebay today. A quick search of the VIN brought me here. I fgured time to make an acct....

Has anyone else other than TURBO1GO laid eyes on this car ? For the price he is asking I expect to have repair issues. Eiffel* is about a 45 minute drive for me so having some issues fixed (that I can't handle) is not a problem. My concern is the fact it has been retitled in Mass after being titled as Salvage in FL. I'm thinking I could run into a problem getting a GA title given the murky back ground. Anyone have any input or dealt with a title like this ?

I've passed cars for awhile or been a day late and a dollar short more times than I can count. This car is the look i'm after and what I'm trying to buy. I guess I'm just sending a feeler out for this partcular car due to the title issues.

Being a OLD Mopar guy these cars are well outside of my comfort zone so I appreciate Prime for providing a place to share the knowledge on these cars.

 

[TURBO2GO]

Did you just call me Turbo1go? Thems fightin' words. You can't just take a turbo away from me like that. LOL

 

[NSXonwheels]

But how does that certificate now effect the car to a buyer? I understand what went on. But it's essentially washed now right?

How does this not make sense to you?

you managed to fit the biggest carbon ceramic rotors in the history of humans to an NSX, but you can't see what's wrong in selling you a flood salvage car as a clean title car because it's been "washed" through a bunch of loopholes?

does that make stolen guns with scratched off serial numbers perfectly good to you? It doesn't have a stolen gun serial number anymore, so it must be good.

slapping a "filtered water" sticker to a bucket of sewage doesn't make it drinkable

 

[TURBO2GO]

How does this not make sense to you?

you managed to fit the biggest carbon ceramic rotors in the history of humans to an NSX, but you can't see what's wrong in selling you a flood salvage car as a clean title car because it's been "washed" through a bunch of loopholes?

does that make stolen guns with scratched off serial numbers perfectly good to you? It doesn't have a stolen gun serial number anymore, so it must be good.

slapping a "filtered water" sticker to a bucket of sewage doesn't make it drinkable

Take it easy man... I'm discussing the legality issues not ethical issues. They are different. And no I don't know what happens when one state essentially makes a car fully legal which is what New Hampshire does. And MA does not do a search and then makes it more legal. I don't know how this affects the car overall during transactions from a legal standpoint. Bob is a lawyer and I'm asking him about the law so I can learn something. Why are you jumping down my throat?

 

[RSO 34]

New Hampshire and Massachusetts took a car that could not be driven legally in the United States and gave it a legal "clean title". Because of their loopholes and laziness, those states have given the seller the opportunity to legally advertise and sell it as a clean title.

However, the morals and ethics of not disclosing it on Facebook and acting as if he heard a rumor about a flood issue are different issues.

 

[TURBO2GO]

I agree totally things should be disclosed. And if they aren't or weren't that's a problem. That's why I tried to give my Honest impressions of the car here. To be helpful to anyone else. Chan has known it's been a flood car since he bought the car. If at any point he didn't disclose that, that's not right. But he told me he always has. I haven't followed all the listings, I trust what he told me. If that wasn't true, it's news to me. I don't want anyone to get a raw deal.

 

[NSXonwheels]

Sorry turbo, I just hate the fact that people do these things intentionally because the loopholes are available and one sucker will end up buying this car and paying basically clean title prices and he/she will have this same problem when it's time to sell it again, not to mention all the electrical glitches that they'll have to live with. Abusing the system to get a "clean title" on the car does not erase the true history, damage, problems, etc of the car, only on paper it does.

pretending they don't know about the flood issue and continuing to call it a clean title car is shady sales tactics at best and they're just hoping to dump this problem onto an unsuspecting buyer and getting handsomely rewarded for them not knowing the true history.

 

[RSO 34]

I agree totally things should be disclosed. And if they aren't or weren't that's a problem. That's why I tried to give my Honest impressions of the car here. To be helpful to anyone else. Chan has known it's been a flood car since he bought the car. If at any point he didn't disclose that, that's not right. But he told me he always has. I haven't followed all the listings, I trust what he told me. If that wasn't true, it's news to me. I don't want anyone to get a raw deal.

His Facebook posts were totally misleading and were deleted when I or other members specifically referenced the Certificate of Destruction branding after which he repeatedly changed his fb identity. That, to me, is dishonest.