Be careful - 2 Ferrarlist.com members killed at the track today

Lud,

Thank you for the heads up. That is very tragic indeed. Let us not forget what type of sport we are partaking in gentlemen. This is not basketball or baseball. I believe the latter two activities were referred to as "games" by Ernest Hemingway. Car racing is a sport. It is unfortunate that we are reminded of the difference between a "sport" and a "game" from time to time.


It is very disturbing for my overactive and very imaginative mind to think of those young men upside down in the Ferrari.

My prayers go out to the Ferrari community and the families of the two men.
 
Sad reminder of how dangerous this all is.

For those of you with little track experience - remember slow in and fast out.

For those with a lot of track experience - 8/10th is as fun as 10/10ths and a lot safer.

For those who give others rides - no one will be impressed if you needlessly endanger your passenger.

I remember an interview with Kurt Russle (Goldie Hahn's husband). Apparently he is into flying, motorcycle racing, car racing, and boat racing. He has 3 or 4 kids and they would all go and watch his dangerous exploits. One time he flipped his boat during a race and everyone watched as they rescued him from drowning after several mins being upside down.

He said later Goldie asked him about the boat racing "Is this fun for you or is this important to you?" She was implying that if it is important for you - OK - but if it is just fun - why risk your life and worry us all to death?

He says now he only flies and he keeps a picture on the plane's dash so if he were to crash he would have a picture of his family to look at in the end.

I liked this story as extra risk should have appropriate reward for you and if this isn't important - maybe you can find other things much more safe to do that you enjoy as much?
 
matteni said:
For those of you with little track experience - remember slow in and fast out.
This advice is applicable regardless of track experience. It's a variant of Sterling Moss' most famous quote: "When approaching a turn, slow in…fast out, or fast in…dead out.”

Sadly, that remark has proven prophetic in all too many cases...
 
I followed one of the links and it showed a picture of the car as it left the pits on its final lap. I'm stunned to see the passenger was not wearing a helmet nor does the car seem fitted with anything other than OEM seatbelts. This is serious sport folks! If you take your car to the track make sure you have a full complement of racing safety gear. The alternative is not worth mentioning.
 
Totally. I can't believe they would not wear a helmet in a F360 driving on the Nurburgring... its like asking to get hurt.

Soichiro said:
I followed one of the links and it showed a picture of the car as it left the pits on its final lap. I'm stunned to see the passenger was not wearing a helmet nor does the car seem fitted with anything other than OEM seatbelts. This is serious sport folks! If you take your car to the track make sure you have a full complement of racing safety gear. The alternative is not worth mentioning.
 
I agree that safety equipment saves lives but the biggest life saver is between your ears. Driving the "ring" during a public session at 9/10ths is frightening and IMO - no amount of safety equipment would have saved them once they crashed on the roof.

That said - your point is well taken as US driver's ed's require:

- safety inspection
- track day inspection
- newer helmet
- recent brake fluid change / check
- convertible restrictions
Also - the ones I have been a part of had an emergency vehicle present at all times and dedicated corner workers on hand.

I would consider getting:

- fire suit (although on a hot day I think this is more dangerous then shorts/t-shirt)
- fire gloves (so you can get out)
- fire extinguisher
- Neck brace

The "ring" is a whole different animal! Very dangerous, no run off room, difficult to learn, many simultaneous vehicles at different speeds all at once, no requirements to get on the track, no dedicated flag workers at short intervals, etc. It is basically a very dangerous track and a free for all with the drivers.

I wouldn't drive much faster there then most people are comfortable driving on the street - IMO.

Still very sad and I have thought a lot about this since hearing about it. I have made my share of mistakes on the street and at the track and "but for the grace of God go I".
 
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