BBK options?

[EDRNSX1]

So not sure if this is right section (mods feel free to move if not)

I got my wheels off and sold, and new ones coming but not for weeks. Thinking might as well BBK it now. NO i dont "need" them, but then again i didnt "need" a hot fiance either :biggrin:

SO, what are the choices? I know of Brembo, StopTech, and Project Mu?

I am curious about

1. What fits best (i heard stoptech the "biggest" caliper, hardest to fit?)
2. What are prices on them? (wanting 4 wheel set up WITH ebrake!!)
3. What are you guys running? what wheels/offsets? Anything you dont like?

Im kinda leaning towards the Project Mu since they are not common and i have had brembo's in past. Who sells Project Mu even?

TIA guys, really appreciate the input.

 

[evof575gtc]

i have project mu available.

go here for details and specs
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96434&highlight=project

i can get you Brembo, Stoptech, Endless and AP as well.
no alcon though...

 

[socalx]

2 of your criteria are in conflict. you said you want a 4 wheel kit with e brake. Project mu is only a front kit.

if you want a 4 wheel kit you can get the following
move it
brembo gt
brembo gtr
stop tech

 

[EDRNSX1]

2 of your criteria are in conflict. you said you want a 4 wheel kit with e brake. Project mu is only a front kit.

if you want a 4 wheel kit you can get the following
move it
brembo gt
brembo gtr
stop tech

i just thought of that after i posted. thanks!

So, NO brembo GTR (i already spend too much on our bikes Brembos...2 calipers are $4,600 for ONLY 2 calipers!! but they are billet mono bloc and ti pistons, etc)

Im thinking stoptech or brembo gt...it seems. I recall one being really hard to fit wheels too?? or harder than other at least?

 

[socalx]

i have had the brembo gt 4 wheel kit and currently have the brembo gtr 4 swheel kit. i was equally happy with both.

you are correct that the stoptech caliper is larger then both brembo kits. it is about 1/4 inch longer then my gtr caliper. the reason i know this is that i have a comptech spare tire for my nsx, that i was hoping to lend to a friend of mine who has the stoptech kit on his nsx. my spare would not fit his car, which was a bummer as we wanted the option to use the spare for either car if we had a problem during a drive.

btw if you really want the project mu kits for 4 wheel, all that is really needed are custom brackets for the rear. (you can use the same project mu caliper for the front in the rear). i have a friend who looked into doing this and had a shop lined up to make the brackets. so if you really want to go this way let me know and i'll get you in touch with the shop that can make the brackets.

 

[Hrant]

Stoptech has the best value for the dollar, and comes with e-brake. Whether it is marketing hype or not, they also claim to be the only company that has tested the front/rear brake bias on the NSX which is not the generic 50/50 offered by Brembo GT or Lotus.

Yes it is wider, but there a few wheels that will clear it. This was amply discussed elsewhere on these forums - and with pics. YMMV.

 

[nsxotic911]

There's also TitaniumDave's custom kit of the Brembo F50 front caliper and Lotus Rear w/ ebrake specifically deigned for the NSX. Great review all around from those that have it with quality parts.

I also am going to spill the beans and say he's working on a RL/TL kit that will probably be cheaper and a midpoint between stock and the big Brembos. :tongue:

I'll let him specify the latests costs..

 

[EDRNSX1]

Thanks guys. Hey, so this may sound dumb, but again, i build bikes, not cars. On our race bikes we ALWAYS replace the oem master cylinder. Usually we use the Brembo since its a larger bore and works much better plus they are only about $300. The new bike brembo is bad ass, the RCS it has an adjustment to go from 18mm to 20mm leverage instantaly. Then you can have a bit more feel (18mm) or more power (20mm).

So, do guys ever replace the OEM master cylinder on our NSX? My 13 year old oem one is needing replaced and since im doing a BBK soon, thought best to do now.

Again, NOT a track car, so may be moot point, but again this toy has 2 more wheels than what i normally "play with"

 

[Matt_337]

If it's not a track car, then why do you need a BBK?

 

[NSXDreamer2]

If it's not a track car, then why do you need a BBK?

he already said he doesn't need it... and imply he has a hot fiance... Where's the pic??:wink:

I say, since you are getting it mostly for bling factor, get the one with the color/ design you like the most. (project mu aqua blue, or brembo red/blk, or Stoptech??)

There's one really cool brembo/comptech set up that will even fit in 16/17 application(at for sale forum), I assumed that will fit more wheels than any other project mu/stoptech/brembo gt. I know if I had money I will buy that set up in a heartbeat.

 

[john@johnhudakracing]

I got my wheels off and sold, and new ones coming but not for weeks.

What wheels? Sizes? Offsets?

Thinking might as well BBK it now.

Good idea. Get those new wheels broke-in. :smile:

NO i dont "need" them, but then again i didnt "need" a hot fiance either :biggrin:

hmmmm.... of course, on the other hand... you may wish you would have kept the cash if she turns out to be high maintenance. :wink:

SO, what are the choices? I know of Brembo, StopTech, and Project Mu?

All just brand names. Considerations for fitments, pad availability for a given caliper profile, caliper/rotor features/construction, dust seals, thermal capacity, your specific chassis setup, on-going consumable costs & availability, objectives, etc.... are what you should be contemplating.

Ultimately, to find the right gear for you- you still have to separate your needs from wants. Everyone wants a Ducati 1098R, yet not always the best idea.

Im kinda leaning towards the Project Mu since they are not common and i have had brembo's in past.

Buying a BBK just because it's not common is the complete opposite of what you should be doing in this department. I don't think you want to import replacement 2pc rotors from Japan at a ridiculous cost just because the hats are blue. That gets old really quick.

Having parts/service/support local to you is a big advantage you should consider. For example, let's say you did decided to run some track days at PIR next year and come out with the rest of us... and you needed some brake pads or cracked a rotor and needed some D592's 'right away' before your next session. Hmmm....

If you really want to be unique in the NSX community..... simply buy brakes for the right reasons.

I would recommend you talk to Dave Levy at Cedar Ridge Fabrication (PM TitaniumDave). He's right down the street from you. In my experience he can put together a custom BBK kit for your NSX that will meet your specific needs and budget; better and cheaper than any of the off-the-shelf options you are contemplating.

250' marker and I am still accelerating. Good sign.

My 0.2

 

[EDRNSX1]

If it's not a track car, then why do you need a BBK?

LOL REALLY?? you have to ask someone that? Come on. Seriously why did i get engaged to a model? http://www.edrperformance.com/models/amanda_olson/ Why do i have a motorcycle that will do over 175mph or wheelie in all first three gears? Why do i have a 4 bedroom house when im single with no kids? (engaged now) Why do i have my car lowered to the ground? Why do i have a 72" SonyXBR tv? Why do i have Carver home audio? WHY?......

WHY? cause im a goddamn american, i work my ASS off for my $$, i dont have wife(well till 09) and never had kids..but mainly because i want the BEST of things in my life, rather have quality even if more $$, but earn it and yeah.... BECAUSE I CAN! :biggrin::biggrin:




jk...seriously, thou its 100% for look bro. sure, ill like the added braking, i have had BBK in my last M3's and loved them. Ill do a few trackdays if my race schedule allows, but its all for looks. Im ALL about customizing/detailing/building my toys...since i do that for a living... www.edrperformance.com

Guess some have to rationalize $4k purchases for something other than "damn that looks good..ill take it" haha

all in fun. Thanks for all the info guys.

 

[EDRNSX1]

What wheels? Sizes? Offsets?





Good idea. Get those new wheels broke-in. :smile:





hmmmm.... of course, on the other hand... you may wish you would have kept the cash if she turns out to be high maintenance. :wink:





All just brand names. Considerations for fitments, pad availability for a given caliper profile, caliper/rotor features/construction, dust seals, thermal capacity, your specific chassis setup, on-going consumable costs & availability, objectives, etc.... are what you should be contemplating.

Ultimately, to find the right gear for you- you still have to separate your needs from wants. Everyone wants a Ducati 1098R, yet not always the best idea.




Buying a BBK just because it's not common is the complete opposite of what you should be doing in this department. I don't think you want to import replacement 2pc rotors from Japan at a ridiculous cost just because the hats are blue. That gets old really quick.

Having parts/service/support local to you is a big advantage you should consider. For example, let's say you did decided to run some track days at PIR next year and come out with the rest of us... and you needed some brake pads or cracked a rotor and needed some D592's 'right away' before your next session. Hmmm....

If you really want to be unique in the NSX community..... simply buy brakes for the right reasons.

I would recommend you talk to Dave Levy at Cedar Ridge Fabrication (PM TitaniumDave). He's right down the street from you. In my experience he can put together a custom BBK kit for your NSX that will meet your specific needs and budget; better and cheaper than any of the off-the-shelf options you are contemplating.

250' marker and I am still accelerating. Good sign.

My 0.2

lol, thanks! The wheels for "now" will be my Dazz Matiz 18x8 ET33 and 19x10 ET33 (with spacers) so should clear. Also, again i KNOW i dont need them! Oh and here is fiance for you guys to argue/drool/flame/whatever..and she is LOWEST maintinence of any girl...raised at the track with dad and brothers only..she can change the rear wheel on our GSXR race bikes even..(great to watch the male racers watch..lol)

I agree on the Project Mu...i had no idea of the cost. That IS a waste IMO..but to another, maybe not? Im looking at the brembos now mainly cause i have had them, we are sponsored by them (but damn car and bike depts seperate! ) and i know they work, plus red would look nice in there.

Cedar Ridge Fab?? Never heard of? They are in portland oregon? im all about supporting local/small guys. (like sos and dali as well)

Again, if i had 3 kids, huge mortgage, deep in debt or made $10/hr i might not think of spending the money. but until then..i like saving up for things like this and doing them. Most my buddies spend more a month on kids/food/clothing/etc...nice not having them (for now)...and for me 25% of the car is for fun/pleasure driving, the other 75% is in building it/detailing it/modifying it. I really enjoy that aspect.

 

[Matt_337]

Sorry if my post came across as if I was flaming you.

It's just that this thread was under the track talk subforum and at the same time, I have been arguing with myself over whether or not I needed a BBK and which one also (and I am no hard core track guy....just an enthusiast who likes to go on the track often).

 

[Commander]

lol, thanks! The wheels for "now" will be my Dazz Matiz 18x8 ET33 and 19x10 ET33 (with spacers) so should clear. Also, again i KNOW i dont need them! Oh and here is fiance for you guys to argue/drool/flame/whatever..and she is LOWEST maintinence of any girl...raised at the track with dad and brothers only..she can change the rear wheel on our GSXR race bikes even..(great to watch the male racers watch..lol)

I agree on the Project Mu...i had no idea of the cost. That IS a waste IMO..but to another, maybe not? Im looking at the brembos now mainly cause i have had them, we are sponsored by them (but damn car and bike depts seperate! ) and i know they work, plus red would look nice in there.

Cedar Ridge Fab?? Never heard of? They are in portland oregon? im all about supporting local/small guys. (like sos and dali as well)

Again, if i had 3 kids, huge mortgage, deep in debt or made $10/hr i might not think of spending the money. but until then..i like saving up for things like this and doing them. Most my buddies spend more a month on kids/food/clothing/etc...nice not having them (for now)...and for me 25% of the car is for fun/pleasure driving, the other 75% is in building it/detailing it/modifying it. I really enjoy that aspect.

It's your money do as you wish - I for one have never been a proponent of the Brembo Turizmo BBK because they use the cheapest caliper setup they offer for a car, "Lotus Calipers" although I hear they work very well; personally I think they are a couple grand higher than they should be - the name is all your getting when you buy this entry line BBK. The StopTech I think look a lot better and the price is right but fitment is a problem with most aftermarket rims given the caliper size. I would definitely send Titanium Dave a PM, he has the skill and past experience to make you something truly worthy of the Bling value your looking for and for far less money. You would also have something custom to your visual appeal.

When I'm ready to push the button for a BBK he is the one I will be talking with, even if his price is the same as other out of the box BBK providers you will get more for your money from him due to the limited offerings from other manufactures out there in regards to the NSX.

Good luck!

 

[john@johnhudakracing]

Seriously why did i get engaged to a model? http://www.edrperformance.com/models/amanda_olson/ Why do i have a motorcycle that will do over 175mph or wheelie in all first three gears? Why do i have a 4 bedroom house when im single with no kids? (engaged now) Why do i have my car lowered to the ground? Why do i have a 72" SonyXBR tv? Why do i have Carver home audio? WHY?......

No one cares about the why. All that matters is that American small businesses everywhere are very thankful that their are so many people out their that think like you. :biggrin:

WHY? cause im a goddamn american, i work my ASS off for my $$, i dont have wife(well till 09) and never had kids..but mainly BECAUSE I CAN!:

I do all of those things and manage to keep my ducks in a row.... ok, maybe except the working hard part. I don't know too much about that really. (Shivers)

Guess some have to rationalize $4k purchases for something other than "damn that looks good..ill take it" haha

I too, have already conquered the top echelon of American Consumerism. I didn't get a $14 trophy out of the deal.

Now, it's more like this:

R: "John, you really need this 6 nozzle 2.8 liter halon system and pass annual tech"
J: "Holy crap- it's $595 dollars!! That's like $100 per nozzle!! Are you kidding me?"
R: "Yes, John.... but it's also a lot cheaper than a engine fire."
R: "Also without it, their is a really good chance you may burn to death."
J: "SIGH>>> Ok. I'll do it."

See- what you are missing in your life is a race budget. If you had a race budget, having priorities that solved real-world practical problems would become far more important to you.

Their are plenty of people that will happily take your money. However with no kids and a low maintenance wife..... hell it sounds to me like you are in a perfect position to aspire for the next level. I think you should come out with us next year to all the PCA and AR track days you can eat. Get your feet wet. The stock brakes with some minor mods will be just fine, and you'll never again see 4 grand disappear so fast. Crap, coming from the bike world, Brian will help us get you hooked in no time.

Think about it. Dave, Paul K, and Win... could use some company out their next year at Portland. :smile:

 

[EDRNSX1]

Sorry if my post came across as if I was flaming you.

It's just that this thread was under the track talk subforum and at the same time, I have been arguing with myself over whether or not I needed a BBK and which one also (and I am no hard core track guy....just an enthusiast who likes to go on the track often).

its all good. just it sounded like my mom had logged in under Matt_337....lol totally kidding. She is always like "why do you need 4 bikes?" why do you need this/that...its not need...its want. I ONLY need food, water, air, home to live. Rest of it all is for LIFE. :biggrin:

 

[EDRNSX1]

It's your money do as you wish - I for one have never been a proponent of the Brembo Turizmo BBK because they use the cheapest caliper setup they offer for a car, "Lotus Calipers" although I hear they work very well; personally I think they are a couple grand higher than they should be - the name is all your getting when you buy this entry line BBK. The StopTech I think look a lot better and the price is right but fitment is a problem with most aftermarket rims given the caliper size. I would definitely send Titanium Dave a PM, he has the skill and past experience to make you something truly worthy of the Bling value your looking for and for far less money. You would also have something custom to your visual appeal.

When I'm ready to push the button for a BBK he is the one I will be talking with, even if his price is the same as other out of the box BBK providers you will get more for your money from him due to the limited offerings from other manufactures out there in regards to the NSX.

Good luck!

great advice and i agree. Like i said i had the Brembo's GT kit on my 91 and they worked great, and also on my E46 M3. But im not against talking to those that know more than i. Ill go all day on schooling folks on bikes brakes/brembos, etc...but cars i like asking.

Thanks again!

 

[EDRNSX1]

No one cares about the why. All that matters is that American small businesses everywhere are very thankful that their are so many people out their that think like you. :biggrin:





I do all of those things and manage to keep my ducks in a row.... ok, maybe except the working hard part. I don't know too much about that really. (Shivers)





I too, have already conquered the top echelon of American Consumerism. I didn't get a $14 trophy out of the deal.

Now, it's more like this:

R: "John, you really need this 6 nozzle 2.8 liter halon system and pass annual tech"
J: "Holy crap- it's $595 dollars!! That's like $100 per nozzle!! Are you kidding me?"
R: "Yes, John.... but it's also a lot cheaper than a engine fire."
R: "Also without it, their is a really good chance you may burn to death."
J: "SIGH>>> Ok. I'll do it."

See- what you are missing in your life is a race budget. If you had a race budget, having priorities that solved real-world practical problems would become far more important to you.

Their are plenty of people that will happily take your money. However with no kids and a low maintenance wife..... hell it sounds to me like you are in a perfect position to aspire for the next level. I think you should come out with us next year to all the PCA and AR track days you can eat. Get your feet wet. The stock brakes with some minor mods will be just fine, and you'll never again see 4 grand disappear so fast. Crap, coming from the bike world, Brian will help us get you hooked in no time.

Think about it. Dave, Paul K, and Win... could use some company out their next year at Portland. :smile:

ROFL...Hey John, ill SHOW you a race budget! How about our 2008 AMA budget? Or just even our 2008 Ducati 848(avatar) Superbike...over $50k for one year THANK GOD for sponsors! Now if only i could get a sponsor for the NSX

 

[titaniumdave]

Cedar Ridge Fab?? Never heard of? They are in portland oregon? im all about supporting local/small guys. (like sos and dali as well)

Hey Erik,
I am Cedar Ridge Fabrication...

LMK if I can help or you want to stop by and see what I can offer/do for you.

There are a number of options out there, wheel fitment often is the most important place to start. It can easily double a BBK cost if the wheels and tires don't clear. I am guessing you have that figured out already...

I have been working with Brembo for the last 2 years, very happy with their road and track calipers. The Lotus is the best choice, IMO, if caliper clearance is a consideration, they only need 39 mm behind the spoke to the disk surface. If you have clearance for a 54 mm, a kit made with F-50 calipers works really well and only adds $200 to the cost. This is the set (F-50/Lotus)John is running on his track car. StopTech makes great stuff too, they are going through a re-design and their whole like of track calipers will be forged next year, they say they will get thinner with this change.

Both of these options will work with the stock master, as long as you use the power cylinder the brake feel is fine. A 4 wheel Lotus caliper kit does well with either brake pad(CO friction) or line pressure balancing(rear lines).

Dave

 

[EDRNSX1]

Hey Erik,
I am Cedar Ridge Fabrication...

LMK if I can help or you want to stop by and see what I can offer/do for you.

There are a number of options out there, wheel fitment often is the most important place to start. It can easily double a BBK cost if the wheels and tires don't clear. I am guessing you have that figured out already...

I have been working with Brembo for the last 2 years, very happy with their road and track calipers. The Lotus is the best choice, IMO, if caliper clearance is a consideration, they only need 39 mm behind the spoke to the disk surface. If you have clearance for a 54 mm, a kit made with F-50 calipers works really well and only adds $200 to the cost. This is the set (F-50/Lotus)John is running on his track car. StopTech makes great stuff too, they are going through a re-design and their whole like of track calipers will be forged next year, they say they will get thinner with this change.

Both of these options will work with the stock master, as long as you use the power cylinder the brake feel is fine. A 4 wheel Lotus caliper kit does well with either brake pad(CO friction) or line pressure balancing(rear lines).

Dave

Thanks Dave! Ill measure the clearence, im sure i have 54mm (2.1") behind the spokes..i mean im adding a 15mm spacer and if i recall without it i like 1.5" (@40mm) space..so might be close. If it will fit the F50 sounds like nice deal and whats $200 when your this deep into it? Not a fan of stoptech personally but wanted to keep options open. What size rotor do you typically run? 355mm or 335mm??


lastly, where is Cedar Fab?? My shop is in Pearl District

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=...7209&iwloc=addr&panoid=Q6Fh6NGnMdHgysAFw9YVzA

 

[titaniumdave]

Erik,
I have been running 32 x 328 front, 28 x 328 rears. I can build brackets for bigger rotors easily, custom hats are more money because the stock is so expensive in sizes over 8", but it can be done. The big disadvantage with larger friction disks is weight. You don't need the mass to dissipate heat so it is only for looks to go bigger than 328-332 mm IMO.

15707 NW McNamee Road...in the woods...