Barichello on BAR for 2006 !!!!
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I don't know if Rubens can pull off being a #1 driver. My view of him might be skewed since I really only think of him as playing second fiddle to Mr. Roboto all these years. Who knows? Maybe he'll shine alot more coming out of Schumi's shadow. If he's driving for Honda, I'll definitely hope he does well!
I'm glad to see him get the chance to be #1. He has had to play second fiddle for far to long.
I think he has the talent to do it as evidenced by his consistency to stay right on Mike's heels for the most part.
Just have to hope that the ride he is given is up to the task also.
I think he has the talent to do it as evidenced by his consistency to stay right on Mike's heels for the most part.
Just have to hope that the ride he is given is up to the task also.
I've always liked Rubeno and have no qualms about taking over one of BAR's cars. But him next to either Ant or Button and you've got a strong or very strong driver line-up.
I think he'd really shine in a team not exclusively dedicated to someone else.
I think he'd really shine in a team not exclusively dedicated to someone else.
Astonishing that he should sign at a team that will more than likely not exist in 2006 - at least not with this name. Keep in mind that we have a nearly total advertisement ban in Europe (beginning tomorrow AFAIK) for tobacco products which means BAT can't continue the sponsorship for BAR next year.
???? 
BAR Honda is still going to be BAR Honda next year regardless of the advertising restrictions. Unless, Honda decides to buy out the rest of the team. In any event, the management is going to be the same. Nick Fry, Geoffrey Willis, etc will still be running the team.
Add to that Bernie Ecclestone's penchent for adding tracks in countries that allow, or even promote, tobacco advertising and you really can only come to the above logical conclusion.
BAR Honda is still going to be BAR Honda next year regardless of the advertising restrictions. Unless, Honda decides to buy out the rest of the team. In any event, the management is going to be the same. Nick Fry, Geoffrey Willis, etc will still be running the team.
Add to that Bernie Ecclestone's penchent for adding tracks in countries that allow, or even promote, tobacco advertising and you really can only come to the above logical conclusion.
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I just read this article on http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=102811 and it seems that Button might go to Williams.
Good!
Ditch Button, keep Sato and Davidson, and pick up Barrichello
Ditch Button, keep Sato and Davidson, and pick up Barrichello
na14yu said:
I agree. As much as I like Sato, Barrichello if given a competitive car is very consistent. You can count on him to maybe win a few races, but also pick up well well needed points on a consistent basis. Button is also fairly consistent picking up points if he finishes the race. However, since Button has to fend for himself against Frank Williams, I'm not sure if he can win that battle and could end up at Williams next year anyway.
ADNOH said:
I don't think this scenario is really feasible. Williams needs an engine supplier next season (Cosworth? Honda? Toyota already said no for next year) but it's hard for me to see how Honda would agree to supply engines to Williams if Frank Williams does in fact enforce the contract on Button and take him to Williams.
If Williams is powered by Honda next year, the more likely scenario is that the agreement will be based on Williams relinquishing their contractual rights on Button so that Button can drive for the factory works team and not the customer team.
I'm somewhat surprised that there has been so little talk about Honda supplying engines to Williams (this was rumored early on but hasn't been talked about in weeks) in return for Williams not taking Button. Seems to me like Honda is either holding onto their engines to put Williams in a tough spot and possibly use a engine deal as a negotiating tactic later in the game, or Honda is just not interested in supplying engines to a customer team (makes some sense since they probably feel compelled to want to focus on winning with just one team).
Klayton said:13 years formula 1 - 9 wins.
Seems to be a great improvement for BAR
Okay I would love to have the top guys (particularly younger ones) and proven race winners like Schumi, Kimi, and Alonso drive for BAR instead of Rubens. But that's fantasy at this point.
13 years in F1 and 9 race wins for Rubens is certainly not an earth shattering thing, but it surely beats the 1 *point* that Sato has scored in 13 races this season. I'd love to see Sato do well, but kicking Sato to the curb for Barichello is a no-brainer IMO.
We may not have improved as much as we would have if we signed up a young world class driver like Kimi or Alonso, but a Jenson/Rubens combo (assuming we keep Jenson) is still better than Jenson/Sato.
Klayton said:13 years formula 1 - 9 wins.
Seems to be a great improvement for BAR
What's your point? That's better than all but 2 drivers on the grid. One is the winniningest driver in F1 history and the other belongs to the longest running British driver in history. I'm sure the 9 wins is better than then the 1 point Sato has gotten this year. Pardon my French, but you're an idiot.
Jenson's gotta go. He's a cocky jerk and he obviousy doesn't feel any allegiance to BAR. Let him go to Williams. I like Sato. Even though he never wins, I like his spiritna14yu said:
Reubens/Takuma/Anthony
JB, kick rocks.
Honda already stopped the talks with Williams some weeks ago - no Honda engines for him.ADNOH said:
Osiris_x11
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rev. limiter needed for Sato...
Why does Sato blow-up all our, err- I mean Honda's motors?!?
I really like his vigour, enthusiasm, humbleness, skill, and passion for racing. Is it just his style, personality, or lack-off a certain something that causes Honda V10's to go ka-boom when he's behind the wheel?!?
Regarding Barichello's record in F1... team strategy perhaps dictated alot of how he performed & how competitive he may have been. Other than Kimi, he's the only driver other than Schumi I'd want on my F1 team if I was privy to such a decision.
Remember, T-O-Y-O-T-A sucks! (lol... totally joking, but some jest & F1 rivalry, fervor, and banter always makes things all the more fun... throw some Guinness, Grey Goose, and Margeritas into the mix... we got a partay! :tongue: )
Why does Sato blow-up all our, err- I mean Honda's motors?!?
I really like his vigour, enthusiasm, humbleness, skill, and passion for racing. Is it just his style, personality, or lack-off a certain something that causes Honda V10's to go ka-boom when he's behind the wheel?!?
Regarding Barichello's record in F1... team strategy perhaps dictated alot of how he performed & how competitive he may have been. Other than Kimi, he's the only driver other than Schumi I'd want on my F1 team if I was privy to such a decision.
Remember, T-O-Y-O-T-A sucks! (lol... totally joking, but some jest & F1 rivalry, fervor, and banter always makes things all the more fun... throw some Guinness, Grey Goose, and Margeritas into the mix... we got a partay! :tongue: )
Re: rev. limiter needed for Sato...
I guess you haven't really been following the 2005 F1 season because Sato hasn't blown a Honda lump...yet! Bad luck and mechanical gremlins he's had though. I guess no matter how consistently he drives or takes care of his engines, he'll forever be branded as the "Honda engine blower" :biggrin:
Osiris_x11 said:Why does Sato blow-up all our, err- I mean Honda's motors?!?
I really like his vigour, enthusiasm, humbleness, skill, and passion for racing. Is it just his style, personality, or lack-off a certain something that causes Honda V10's to go ka-boom when he's behind the wheel?!?
Regarding Barichello's record in F1... team strategy perhaps dictated alot of how he performed & how competitive he may have been. Other than Kimi, he's the only driver other than Schumi I'd want on my F1 team if I was privy to such a decision.
Remember, T-O-Y-O-T-A sucks! (lol... totally joking, but some jest & F1 rivalry, fervor, and banter always makes things all the more fun... throw some Guinness, Grey Goose, and Margeritas into the mix... we got a partay! :tongue: )
I guess you haven't really been following the 2005 F1 season because Sato hasn't blown a Honda lump...yet! Bad luck and mechanical gremlins he's had though. I guess no matter how consistently he drives or takes care of his engines, he'll forever be branded as the "Honda engine blower" :biggrin:
Osiris_x11
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SPT-V10 (Sato-proof_throttle!)
What season?!? I thought BAR Honda's 2005 F1 campaign was a R&D -&- test year for the HSC's V10! :wink:
My interest this F1 season has waxed and waned over the months, Imola & the USGP didn't help much... nor did the (2) blown motors within seconds of eachother on the 2nd lap of an early season GP following the DNF's at the start of the season in a strategy to get "fresh" zero-race engines for the next race. Hmmm... maybe I have followed the season afterall, lol... It's just FIA and F1 (Ecclestone & Company) that I have lost interest in, not BAR Honda.
That's hilarious... I'd love to hear that on a sound-byte! I wonder if 'Prime supports audio annotations. . . :tongue:
Honda F1 Racing said:
What season?!? I thought BAR Honda's 2005 F1 campaign was a R&D -&- test year for the HSC's V10! :wink:
My interest this F1 season has waxed and waned over the months, Imola & the USGP didn't help much... nor did the (2) blown motors within seconds of eachother on the 2nd lap of an early season GP following the DNF's at the start of the season in a strategy to get "fresh" zero-race engines for the next race. Hmmm... maybe I have followed the season afterall, lol... It's just FIA and F1 (Ecclestone & Company) that I have lost interest in, not BAR Honda.
Honda F1 Racing said:
That's hilarious... I'd love to hear that on a sound-byte! I wonder if 'Prime supports audio annotations. . . :tongue:
Re: rev. limiter needed for Sato...
Honda F1 Racing said:
dave22 said:Jenson's gotta go. He's a cocky jerk and he obviousy doesn't feel any allegiance to BAR. Let him go to Williams. I like Sato. Even though he never wins, I like his spirit
Reubens/Takuma/Anthony
JB, kick rocks.
He might be too cocky for his position right now, but he does appear to have what it takes to become a WDC. in fact, he probably needs to be more cocky as a driver to achieve that goal. he doesn't take enough risk on the track. I'm not saying that he needs to take poor risks, but something in between his and Sato's risk taking is what is needed. Sato has it in him as well but he just needs to learn when to make that risk move.
As for Button's allegiance tp BAR, he has already publically stated that he wants to stay at BAR and told Frank Williams he doesn't want to drive for him. Honda/BAR has told Jenson they will not help him with his contract issues and he is on his own. Truthfully, I'm not exactly sure what Honda/BAR is trying to say here. I think they need Jenson and want him to stay, but they are not willing to use their resources to help him stay. There must be some other issues behind the doors that we don't know about that Honda/BAR doesn't want a part of that could hurt future relations somewhere in the future. It would be interesting to follow this until the end of the season when we finially will know what will happen.
As far as Rubens he will bring in consistent points. He may not win WDC, but he does give Honda/BAR a much greater chance at WCC. Another good thing about Rubens is I believe he gives good feedback to the engineers/mechnics about the car itself. He probably will help the team over all put together a more consistent faster car in a shorter time frame.
I wish Sato the best of luck. I'm a fan of him and its too bad he probably has to leave BAR/Honda, but business is business.
For best results in 2006 Button must stay and Sato leave, I like Sato as a person but he has not been getting the job done. Barichello is a good short term driver but Honda needs some young talent Rubbens is getting over the hill. I do hope I have to eat these words.
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