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I saw that, but I think the price is a typo if the specs are correct. It's built on a Lambo chassis I think with the Lambo V10, so why would it be 50K less than the Lambo?
My friend is a designer at Audi here in Cali (although he's currently in Germany for the next few months). He sat in the prototype of the production version...interior is similar to the concept, but not as "futuristic"...ie more conservative, but pretty godamn good he said.
Also the price sounds about right...it will no longer be a V10, but rather a retuned RS4 motor. Exterior is very, very similar. Biggest difference is the headlights. No cluster LEDS, but rather a projector HID.
Its main competition is going to be the 911 and DB9...there's also talks about making it a 2+2 without changing much to the exterior.
Also the price sounds about right...it will no longer be a V10, but rather a retuned RS4 motor. Exterior is very, very similar. Biggest difference is the headlights. No cluster LEDS, but rather a projector HID.
Its main competition is going to be the 911 and DB9...there's also talks about making it a 2+2 without changing much to the exterior.
Well, if it goes from a 610 hp turbo Lambo V10 (and loses the world's first LED headlights) to a Audi V8 with 414 HP I would say it's overpriced at 110K!
Yeah, that's nothing like a 90K V6.
Juice said:
Oh, I was unaware Audi was only going to try and sell 200 units a year with heavily subsidized leases! :wink: :tongue:
I dig the tail lights. The rest looks like it is trying to decide between being an Audi or a Bently
Well, I think our cars are ugly compared to almost any other current mid engine euro cars out there now 
. And this comment is coming from a trained car designer. 
. And this comment is coming from a trained car designer. Shumdit said:
Why? Personaly, 110k is a steal for what you'll get. ESPECIALLY compared to our NSXs.. :tongue:
Oh, and its not going to be 414 hp...its going to be a twin turbo v8 and pack quite alot more punch.
I'd take one of these over a carrera S any day.
Spinner said:Well, I think our cars are ugly compared to almost any other current mid engine euro cars out there now
Yeah, Chris Bangle is a trained designer too as the head of BMW Group Design, and he has really been hitting them out of the park with his thoughts on what a good looking car is. :tongue:
The Old E36/7, E46, E39 and E48 were much better styled and still more attractive than the E65,E60 and E90 (although the E90 is the least offensive, mostly because his vomit-inducing designs taught BMW to reign him in somewhat).
I think a car designer may have the gift of creativity, but newer is not always better. See the c2 (63-67) vs. C3 vettes, The BMW Z3 vs. Z4, the 993 vs. 996 Porsche for proof. Some might also say the 91-01 NSX vs. the 02-05, but I am personally on the fence there.
Shumdit said:
Wrong. See, to the untrained eye, the other cars you mentioned are more feasible. Its easy to like them, because design wise, they aren't groundbreaking. Chris Bangle did an amazing job. I didn't like it at first, but just as he and his designers planned, the cars totally grew on me. The E36/7, E46, E39 and E48 ARE NOT BETTER STYLED.
Ask any car designer. The majority of the public might like them, but its not better styled. Its conservatively & safely styled. Theyre not bad designs...theyre great designs, but they didn't break any molds. The NSX design didn't break any molds either. Fact is, these newer beemers are outselling their previous cousins.
I think it would be safer to say: "IMO I don't like Chris Bangles designs" rather than "They are crap designs".
Thats like me going up to Mike Tyson and giving him advise on how to punch better. :biggrin: :biggrin:
OK, so the Pontiac Aztek was groundbreaking in design from what I remember reading, and it is a world class stinker in sales. I remember also seeing how the E48 actually INCREASED in used auction transaction prices when the E65 came out since it was so universally hated in design (not by you genius designers, but by the people who actually BUY the cars and give you a reason to have a job, the simple-minded public). The newer BMW's sell better because dynamically they are better cars, but aesthetics-wise they are not superior to me or the majority of the magazines and forums I have seen commentary on. Maybe in 50 years they will look back on the design differently, but as you can tell by BMW's decision to "freshen" the 2006 7 series, it was not the lovefest you have protrayed it to be. The Z4 is the same way.
My eye may be untrained, but I do not need anyone to tell me what a beautiful woman is, or what makes a car design work for me
My eye may be untrained, but I do not need anyone to tell me what a beautiful woman is, or what makes a car design work for me
Well, maybe you should post some of your designs then.
And I can tell Tiger Woods if he hit a little harder, but with more control, he'll get a hole in one everytime.
The women comment..well, yeah, I can't argue there. Just trying to educate people. I'm not trying to start a flame. I've already posted before regarding design theories and I don't feel like going through that again. Its like Picasso...joe schmoe won't appreciate it and will think it looks like a kid's drawing. Fact is I didn't like his stuff either until I went through art classes in elementary and started to "understand".
I don't blame the common folks for not liking bangle's designs...its kind of like beer. Its an aquired taste I suppose.
And I can tell Tiger Woods if he hit a little harder, but with more control, he'll get a hole in one everytime.
The women comment..well, yeah, I can't argue there. Just trying to educate people. I'm not trying to start a flame. I've already posted before regarding design theories and I don't feel like going through that again. Its like Picasso...joe schmoe won't appreciate it and will think it looks like a kid's drawing. Fact is I didn't like his stuff either until I went through art classes in elementary and started to "understand".
I don't blame the common folks for not liking bangle's designs...its kind of like beer. Its an aquired taste I suppose.
My point is the simple-minded consumer is what drives the market, so if they perceive it to be one way or the other, it is. Perception is reality in this case, since it affects the company's bottom line. So even if it turns out we are all buying amorphous blobs that are the biggest joke in the eyes of a true artist, that is what the beancounters will tell the designers to keep making. To me the NSX is somewhat a generic style in some ways since it seems to take cues from other cars of the Era (f-car comes to mind), but it is still a great looking car to me, and the public's reaction when I am at a eatery or stoplight seems to agree with that opinion. Understand?
Shumdit said:
Yup. I understand and completely agree. I was just going to post something similar. :redface: Thats what happened with the Toyota Echo and Aztek actually. The bean counters and marketing folks pretty much dictated the designers on what the consumers would like. Such a shame really....The echo is the perfect example. Designers had to voice for that monstrosity. What happened was that the marketing team decided: "Meh...we don't need designers...we know what the people want, therefore we can design our own car and people will like it."
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