Anyone familiar with this 1991? JH4NA1151MT000613

RJPKRP · 12 August 2009

It is for sale in Denver, CO at Weisco Motorcars. Asking $32K, 49K miles on it.

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...tfield=PRICE&certifiedOnly=false&aff=national

Just curious if anyone knows this vehicle? Thanks

wntsom4 · 12 August 2009

RJPKRP said:
It is for sale in Denver, CO at Weisco Motorcars. Asking $32K, 49K miles on it.

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...tfield=PRICE&certifiedOnly=false&aff=national

Just curious if anyone knows this vehicle? Thanks

I'd be curious myself.. There webpage shows 3 NSX's but when you click on the pictures they are all the same car.

RJPKRP · 12 August 2009

wntsom4 said:
I'd be curious myself.. There webpage shows 3 NSX's but when you click on the pictures they are all the same car.

Gotta scroll down to see the other two.....

http://www.weisco.us/acura.htm

mskrotzki · 13 August 2009

My home is within walking distance from this dealer. If anyone wants "remote eyes" on any of there, let me know.

Mark

RJPKRP · 13 August 2009

I would love it if you could go out and do a quick inspect of the Red 1991 they have (Stock #: 3225). If they ask, talk to Paul, tell him you're there to give it a once over for Robert that he has been communicating with via email.

Thanks!

mskrotzki · 13 August 2009

I went up to visit Paul at Weisco this morning to look at the red NSX. I drove it about 6 -8 miles on city streets and I-25 (up to very illegal speeds for very short distances.)

Here is the filled out check list for you:

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Date of Inspection:_8/13/09___ Seller name:_Weisco (consignment) <o

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VIN:JH4NA1151MT000613__ Zanardi # (if applicable) ______ <o

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Model year:91____ Model: NSX NSX-T Zanardi <o

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Transmission: 5spd 6spd Auto <o

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Transmission #:dealer would not let me check<o></o>
Ext. color:red______________ Int. color:_black______ <o

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number of owners:?_____ service records: yes no at least partial available, I did not see them<o

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1st inspection date:___________ 2nd inspection date:__________ <o

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Exterior condition: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Interior condition: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 <o

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Mechanical condition: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 <o

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Deposit left: _________ <o

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Carfax report (attach to checklist): Y/N? Clean/Problem(s)? <o

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This, apparently, can be done, as owner is local, as is dealer where maintenance performed<o

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Inspection Checklists <o

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Interior Inspection <o

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Head room (w/ helmet if tracking) <o

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Instrument panel visibility <o

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Ease of entry/exit from vehicle <o

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Drivers seat power adjustments work Both work<o

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Passenger seat power adjustments work Did not check<o

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Radio, cassette, CD player (if installed) After market – original available<o

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Speakers: 2 door, 1 psgr footwell, 1 center channel Work – are original<o

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Heat, a/c, vent functions a/c blows cold and can be modulated. It’s 90+ today – no check of heater.<o

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Window glass condition (tint if applicable) ok<o

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Remote fuel door release didn’t check<o

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Courtesy lights (in doors & drivers footwell) all lights on<o

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Ashtray & lighter didn’t check<o

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Center console condition & function bubbling imminent, looks strange with aftermarket CD<o

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Sun visor condition (check for split seams) didn’t check<o

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Passenger seatbelt condition didn’t check<o

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Door panel condition ok<o

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Seat upholstery/leather condition driver’s seat very good<o

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Trim & molding condition, including behind seats ok<o

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Engine compartment release lever works<o

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Remote trunk release button (on driver’s door below arm rest) works<o

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Remote trunk release disable switch (inside glove box) didn’t check<o

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Driver’s power window controls (excessive slow speed) good – run several times<o

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Passenger side window controls (excessive slow speed) good – run several times<o

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Brake pedal wear consistent with mileage didn’t check<o

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Additional interior notes: <o

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Exterior Inspection <o

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Dings, dents, scratches, scrapes Clear bra on front. Don’t know if front has been repainted. No dents, dings or scratches glaringly obvious.<o

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Windshield glass & molding nothing of note<o

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Front grille & radiator condition didn’t check<o

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Driver’s side door handle function ok<o

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Passenger door handle function Any fluid leaks (new/ old) ok <o

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Trunk lock (opens w/ key) didn’t check<o

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Keyless entry works (if installed) not installed<o

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Front hood release lever works ok<o

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Factory anti-theft (should not alarm if open any door/trunk using the key) ok<o

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Rock chips on front consistent w/ mileage see above<o

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Moldings & trim condition ok<o

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General paint condition very good nicely detailed, don't know if it has been repainted.<o

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Evidence of crash damage or body work looked quite closely, saw none<o

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Original paint on body panel bolts didn’t check – should have<o

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Tire brand, model size, condition acceptable aftermarket 18/19 and VERY low profile<o

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Fuel filler door releases, gas cap in good shape didn’t check<o

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Wheel lock & matching key (if installed) see above<o

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Wheel condition (cosmetic) not my taste – originals available<o

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Aftermarket alarm (if installed) n/a<o

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Inside the trunk <o

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Carpet & trim, general condition (no corrosion or moisture) good<o

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Trunk light function (upper rear corner of trunk on driver’s side) didn’t check<o

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Trunk latch (DO NOT slam it. Set it down & press firmly over latch- NOT on rear spoiler) ok<o

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Condition of trunk mounted CD changer & mobile phone (if installed) ok<o

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Trunk lid stays up by itself (if not, struts are bad- ~$100 repair) NO Struts need to be replaced Also the window struts are weak<o></o>
Tool kit under trunk carpet (jack, lug wrench, flat blade screw driver, air pump) All tools present<o

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Under the (front) hood <o

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Hood catch mechanism works ok<o

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Spare tire condition (should be mounted with spokes facing rear) Never touched ground<o

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Radiator condition (look for damage from road debris or excessively bent cooling fins) didn’t check – no leaks<o

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Lights <o

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Parking lights ?<o

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Low beams ?<o

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High beams ?<o

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Hazard lights & switch ?<o

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Turn signals ok<o

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License plate light ?<o

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Headlights open & close smoothly (’91-’01) Yes – did check<o

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Reverse lights ?<o

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Tail lights (including LED in spoiler) ?<o

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Brake lights ?<o

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Side markers ?<o

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Fog or driving lights (if installed) n/a<o

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Engine oil ?<o

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Engine mounts ?<o

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Engine block ?<o

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Cylinder heads ?<o

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Fluid leaks Overflow tank cracked and attempted repair still leaking<o

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VTEC operation ok<o

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Air filter didn’t check<o

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Springs rides and handles properly<o

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Shocks (dampers) rides and handles properly<o

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Steering very heavy, no doubt due to huge tires and wheels<o

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CV joints & boots was not allowed underneath the car, so I don’t know<o

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Tie rods was not allowed underneath the car, so I don’t know<o

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Forged suspension was not allowed underneath the car, so I don’t know<o

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Drive shafts was not allowed underneath the car, so I don’t know<o

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Differential (LSD) no issues while driving<o

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ECU/ECM no issues while driving<o

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Frame work? No Yes requires closer inspection no work apparent from hood or engine compartment<o

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Paint work? No Yes not sure – see above<o

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Panels replaced? No Yes ?<o

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Coolant no issues while driving<o

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Coolant hoses & pipes All available are pliable and not cracked. Appear original equipment<o

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Coolant overflow bottle tank cracked and attempted repair still leaking<o

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Cooling system clamps appear original and in good condition<o

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Radiator & fan no issues while driving<o

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Water pump no issues while driving<o

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Fuel lines & hoses no fuel smell or apparent leaks<o

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Fuel pump no issues while driving<o

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Fuel tank no issues while driving<o

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Exhaust manifold or headers no issues while driving no sonic leaks<o

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Exhaust hangers & brackets was not allowed underneath the car, so I don’t know<o

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Catalytic converters no odd smells during or after drive<o

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Muffler no issues while driving<o

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Exhaust pipes no issues while driving<o

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Fuel injection no issues while driving<o

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Alternator Charging at ~14.6 volts<o

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Brake master cylinder No apparent leaks<o

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ABS pump No inappropriate sounds. Did not check ABS function<o

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Brake fluid OK no leaks, no horrible color<o

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Brake lines & hoses No apparent leaks<o

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Brake rotors No shudder, smooth operation<o

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Brake pads ?<o

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Brake calipers Look fine<o

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Parking brake Operates correctly<o

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Wheels After market<o

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Wheel hubs & studs ?<o

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Wheel bearings ?<o

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Clutch operation Very light, but grabs very well during hard 1-2 shift<o

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Clutch fluid & cylinders Appear fine<o

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Starter ok<o

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Wiring <o

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Tires (note- “premature” wear on extreme inside edge of fronts is normal) ok<o

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If requested: Compression test Would be good to have done<o

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If requested: Leakdown test Would be good to have done<o

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If requested: 4 wheel alignment <o

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Other: CEL appeared as soon as I got on it on I-25, and stayed on for remainder of drive. Was not able to pull codes.

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Big_D · 13 August 2009

Some issues that would make me leary are:

1) would not let you look under the car
2) would not let you check transmission number.
3) CEL
4) Coolant bottle leak...not a big deal but would request them to repair it

RJPKRP · 14 August 2009

Thank you Mark for having a look. It looks like, for the money, I should be able to find a more suitable car...

Thanks again.

mskrotzki · 15 August 2009

Why don't you PM me, and we can talk further. None of these issues are deal breakers, necessarily.

FWIW, I'll be driving from Denver to Yellow Springs, OH via UP Michigan in early October. If you would like, and might be able to divert a little bit so we could have a cup of coffee somewhere in Northern Indiana or Ohio.

Mark

whitebois · 26 November 2009

hey mskrotzki- I just bought this car yesterday for 28. Had it checked out at the Acura dealer on Havana. It is very clean, has had timing belt, water pump etc. and about 5 grand put into it over the last 4 years by previous owner. Dealer printed off all service done. Also inspected transmission and no snap ring issue. I also had check engine light come on during hi rev on test drive and shop pulled up code for both O2 sensors bad. Tech thought it was due to not having been driven much. Suggested to run a tank of gas through it and then see. Clutch is a little balky but hey, when buying a nearly 20-year old car you have to expect to put a bit of $$ into it. I had it at a body shop and they noticed part of the passenger front and rear fenders had been repainted but it was a quality job and no indication of serious damage. So you were right, there were no real deal breakers with the car. Plus, seller had put on 17/18" wheels and nearly brand new tires. I did not take the stock ones I could have had for another $300 . I am 5th owner- car was sold at Acura in Littleton, entire history in Denver area.
Thanks

mskrotzki · 26 November 2009

Cool: I though it was not a bad deal at all -- nothing to make me advise running away. Nothing was terribly expensive to fix. All of it could be done for less than $1000.

Oxygen sensors are not expensive; I got a pair of them for $95.00 delivered to my front door. When I put my headers on last year I decided to simply replace them when everything was sitting on my garage floor.

Since this was a very early car, I figured there would be no snap ring issue. Snap ring problems only showed up later in the 1st production year, and through most of 1992.

I'm curious -- did they take care of the battery corrosion, the rear window and trunk struts, and the overflow tank? None of them are a big deal, but could certainly put someone off and queer a sale. They were also a great bargaining chip -- and you seemed to do very well!

If you are in Colorado, shoot me a PM and we can have a cup of coffee.

Mark

whitebois · 28 November 2009

They were consigning the car for a guy who supposedly owns 12 of them including the other two Weisco has for sale. I did not ask them to replace the struts- figured that is a pretty cheap, easy do it yourself. Ditto with the overflow tank. I got a quote from an Acura shop for something like $900 bucks to replace the O2 sensors so now I am a bit suspicious of that when I hear you say you got both for $90 bucks. Is it a pretty involved process to replace? Maybe if I am going to get headers now is a good time to do both items from a cost efficiency standpoint. The cost estimate I got was from a dealer so I know their costs are high.... Do you know of a good independant shop around Denver? I have had the CEL come back on - usually when I get it up above the 5000 RPM range so I probably need to deal with this- don't like to worry. I would be curious about the headers you installed- what maker etc and your driving impressions afterword.
Thanks, I would grab a coffee some time, I work in LODO.

mskrotzki · 29 November 2009

You’re right, the struts will be very easy to replace. There is a guy in Canada who rebuilds them for not very much money, which is the way I would go.
I replaced my coolant tank 2-1/2 years ago. I got it from Ray Laks in New York for $85.00. It only took a ½ hour to install.
I put on Top Speed Pro headers a year and a ½ ago and 17,000 miles ago. I paid $515.00 (delivered.) During the install (I did it my self) I also replaced my 141,000 mile O2 sensors. I paid $95.96 for both sensors (delivered.) I had a 22mm open end wrench from my old air cooled Porsche 356 days, and they came out without a problem. My car spent most of its life in Georgia where they don’t use salt on the roads. Everything underneath, even the very few iron parts show no corrosion. Your car may well be a Colorado car, so I wouldn’t anticipate any difficulty either.
The headers made an immediate and very noticeable difference in power, sound, and surprisingly, fuel mileage. When the Top Speed Pro headers were first marketed there were howls about them using flex joints, a la another brand that had earlier experienced a lot of failures. I took advantage of the wonderfully warm weather yesterday to change my oil and made a close inspection of the headers and the right CV joint. All is well with no signs of cracking in either the headers or the CV joint boot. As I said, I have 17,000 miles on the headers and they look to be in excellent condition, with the nice patina stainless steel takes on under heat.
Since I do all of my own maintenance (except for the timing belt/wp, etc, etc which I had Ron98 complete on a trip to California) I do not know of a local independent NSX mechanic. Why don’t you post that question in the Mile High section of Southwest US Region Forum. There are 20 or 30 of us who visit there from time to time.
I live in the Chesman Park section of Capitol Hill, a 25 minute walk from Weisco. PM (Private eMail on the Prime site) with your contact information and we’ll get the cup of coffee.
Mark

mskrotzki · 29 November 2009

You might want to try here for your trunk struts. I'm going to order a pair, as I noticed in Florida that mine are getting weak

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129146

Mark

whitebois · 29 November 2009

Thanks, I will check out the link for the struts. I will get in touch in the next week or so and we could grab a coffee somewhere near/around downtown.

Anyone familiar with this 1991? JH4NA1151MT000613

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