Discounts are averaging $40-45K, including the Acura rebate, but less on low optioned cars. If you're ready to buy, tell them if they can sell it to you for $143K you'll buy it. If they say no, go on to the next one. There are still a couple hundred for sale out there new, in my estimation. Give the dealer an ultimatum and be willing to walk if they say no. My first offer got countered, and I said no thanks, then an hour later, bought a car for $7k less than the one I first made an offer on. Some dealers will deal, and some won't. Which color red?? Curva or Valencia? The dealer I bought mine from just took delivery of a Valencia red one...... If you're interested, I can forward contact info.