70+ year-old Tourist kills mugger with bare hands

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SAN JOSE, Costa Rica -

An American tourist who watched as a U.S. military veteran in his 70s used his bare hands to kill an armed assailant in Costa Rica said she thought the attempted robbery was a joke — until the masked attacker held a gun to her head.

"I thought it was a skit. But then he pointed the gun at my head and grabbed me by the throat and I thought I was going to die," Clova Adams, 54, told The Associated Press by telephone Friday from the Carnival Liberty cruise ship.

The assault occurred during a ship stopover Wednesday in Limon, 80 miles east of San Jose, Costa Rica's capital.

Adams was with 12 American tourists who hired a driver to explore Costa Rica for a few hours. They were climbing out of the van to visit a Caribbean beach when three masked men ran toward them, she said. One held a gun to her head, while the other two pulled out knives.

Suddenly, one of the tourists, a U.S. military veteran trained in self defense, jumped out of the van and put the gunman in a headlock, according to Limon police chief Luis Hernandez.

Hernandez said the American, whom he refused to identify, struggled with the robber, breaking his collarbone and eventually killing him. Police identified the dead man as Warner Segura, 20. The other two assailants fled.

Afterward, the tourists drove Segura to a hospital, where he was declared dead. Sergio Lopez, a Red Cross auxiliary, examined Segura's body and said he died from asphyxiation.

Lopez also treated Adams for a panic attack.

"She was very nervous after the assault, but she had not been physically hurt," Lopez said.

The U.S. Embassy confirmed the account, but refused to release the name of the American who defended the group, citing his right to privacy.

Costa Rican officials interviewed the Americans, and said they wouldn't charge the U.S. tourist with any crime because he acted in self defense.

"They were in their right to defend themselves after being held up," Hernandez said. He said Segura had previous charges against him for assaults.

The cruise ship delayed its departure until the group boarded the ship, The Carnival Liberty, which was set to return Sunday to Fort Lauderdale, Fla.

Adams spoke freely with the AP until a man who identified himself as her fiancee said they didn't want to talk to the media. He said the group might release a joint statement later and hung up the telephone.

Officials on the ship refused to pass an AP reporter on to other members of the tourist group, and another attempt to reach Adams' room failed.

Costa Rica has struggled with growing violence and crime in recent years. University of Kansas student Shannon Martin, 23, was stabbed to death in 2001 after she left a nightclub in Golfito, 105 miles south of San Jose.

Carnival Cruise Lines confirmed in a statement that one of the ship's guests had killed the Costa Rican assailant, but refused to name those involved.

"All of the guests involved, who had booked the cruise together as a group, have opted to continue with their vacation plans. Carnival is providing full support and assistance to the guests," the statement said.


The old man might've been an ex-drill sargeant. :)

Kudos to the local authorities for not pressing charges unless they intend to decimate a huge chunk of their own GNP which depended heavily upon tourism, particularly following the collapse of world coffee prices back in 1991. I can imagine a similar incident in People's Republik of Kalifornia would surely be feverishly prosecuted by the local DA and tried for murder even when under self-defense and witnesses present. :rolleyes:
 
The man did what any grown man with any balls would do......so your in a third world country and some kids try to hold your group/family at gun point?...what do you do? just sit there and do nothing?...who knows they may take your money and leave or they may take your money and kill you...


It really pisses me off when people say "oh well it's just a couple hundred dollars it's not worth your life"..

IT'S NOT JUST A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS...IT'S EVERY ONES SENSE OF SECURITY......and that is worth everything.


I guess I'm just crazy.....but people that are willing to threaten others like that, forfeit their own safety IMO.
 
IT'S NOT JUST A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS...IT'S EVERY ONES SENSE OF SECURITY......and that is worth everything.

I guess I'm just crazy.....but people that are willing to threaten others like that, forfeit their own safety IMO.

That makes us two of us crazy's because i'm with you. If you step outside the law (which is meant to protect society) you can't expect to be protected by the same laws you've just broken.
 
The man did what any grown man with any balls would do......so your in a third world country and some kids try to hold your group/family at gun point?...what do you do? just sit there and do nothing?...who knows they may take your money and leave or they may take your money and kill you...

Well said! I for one cannot standby and watch. I had a similar incident happen to me in Las Vegas. "There was no gun involved and nobody got killed", and the old guy got to keep his wallet!:biggrin:
 
That makes us two of us crazy's because i'm with you. If you step outside the law (which is meant to protect society) you can't expect to be protected by the same laws you've just broken.

So goes the question...If an insured driver runs a stop sign and hits an uninsured driver who is at fault? The unisured driver should not even been on the road in the first place, right?
 
So goes the question...If an insured driver runs a stop sign and hits an uninsured driver who is at fault? The unisured driver should not even been on the road in the first place, right?

No, it's not the same thing.
What you're saying is the same as as killing someone (no confrontation, random guy off the street, maybe target practice..) that after investigation, it happens to have been a criminal that escaped from jail (let say for stealing...) and then saying 'oh, he should not have been there....'
 
No, it's not the same thing.
What you're saying is the same as as killing someone (no confrontation, random guy off the street, maybe target practice..) that after investigation, it happens to have been a criminal that escaped from jail (let say for stealing...) and then saying 'oh, he should not have been there....'

No one is killed in my senerio.
 
No one is killed in my senerio.


You know what I mean. Replace kill with hurt. Same thing.

I used to be of the mindset "be soft with someone that is trying to hurt you.... just get them to stop" and those people die. When you're confronted with a life or death situation, you have to neutralize that person as soon as possible and it doesn't just mean kick him in the chin. I don't think the Tourist was trying to kill him. I think his death was colateral damage in stopping him from hurting them.

:cool:
 
You know what I mean. Replace kill with hurt. Same thing.

I used to be of the mindset "be soft with someone that is trying to hurt you.... just get them to stop" and those people die. When you're confronted with a life or death situation, you have to neutralize that person as soon as possible and it doesn't just mean kick him in the chin. I don't think the Tourist was trying to kill him. I think his death was colateral damage in stopping him from hurting them.

:cool:

If the guy without insurance was not in the the intersection then the guy with insurance ,driving legally, would never had hit the guy without insurance. On the other hand had the guy without insurance not been hit by the guy who ran the stop sign the guy without insurance would not have been caught driving without insurance.

I think if you are driving without insurance you should not be able to make any claims if you are involved in an accident. The accident should be the uninsured drivers fault.
 
If the guy without insurance was not in the the intersection then the guy with insurance ,driving legally, would never had hit the guy without insurance. On the other hand had the guy without insurance not been hit by the guy who ran the stop sign the guy without insurance would not have been caught driving without insurance.

I think if you are driving without insurance you should not be able to make any claims if you are involved in an accident. The accident should be the uninsured drivers fault.

In LA (state), if you have no insurance, you have no claim. Same thing has been tried here, but it never passed through the state government.

Anyway, back to the article, I thought it was great when I read that they investigated, and then let them back on the boat. WOW. Why don't we do that here in the US? Simple, easy, no tax payer money, no lawsuits etc...
 
Anyway, back to the article, I thought it was great when I read that they investigated, and then let them back on the boat. WOW. Why don't we do that here in the US? Simple, easy, no tax payer money, no lawsuits etc...

It wasn't for the tourists' sake... it was for the sake of tourism. I can only imagine how much tourism accounts for Costa Rica's economy.

Are you suggesting the US should do away with due process?? just forget the judicial system... let the police decide who's guilty or not.
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More proof that the greatest generation is not to be f#@Ked with.

Looks like a man who did what he had to do. Given a similar situation, with a choice of fight or flight who knows what they might do. I think it is a matter of the moment.

Maybe you might have done it differently, but that is a choice we are fortunate NOT to be forced to make.

In this case the innocent were preserved- The right choice was made.

Philip
 
In this case the innocent were preserved- The right choice was made.

Philip

how do you know that? that should be for the courts to decide. you do not know the whole story. if the punk got the money and was on his way out of the bus when the old man jumped on him and killed him, there was no longer a threat... therefore self defense may no longer be a viable defense.

if you shoot a guy robbing your house... i'll buy self defense. if you chase him down a block away and shoot him... i don't think so.

again, we don't know the whole story.. you can't assume anything
 
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