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3M Clear Shield vs. VentureShield film?

I have several questions about the application of the clear bra for the car:

Which is the better one? Has anyone experienced any of the products above for bumper and hood in a long term? Which one would you recommend? and how do you wax it?

My neighbor quoted me for $1100 total cost:eek:
 
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Wax it like you would wax the car without the clear bra. Yellow color wax is not recommended; especially for a white color car. 2 year report is some edges may accumulate dirt and it can be hard to clean the edge. Taken 3 hits and the clear bra performed just fine. When washing your car, make sure your sponge/towel don't catch the edge of the clear bra. I have Venture Shield on my car, and am quite satisfied. At the time of my installation, Venture Shield was the better product. I don't know if 3M has up their game in the past 2 years.
 
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1100 LOL tell him to take the ferrari tax out. my mom had her sti done when she bought it and it cost 500 ish and that was with the front, the scoop, behind the front and rear wheels

hers is 3m and its help up well but its starting to show its wear after 3 years but hey hers is driven rain, shine, or snow oh and tracked lol
 
I have the 3M shield on the front (half way up the hood), the mirrors, and the side intakes.

It works good, but it does collect dirt on the seams. It is hard to clean. I have been dragging a clay bar along the seam to clear it and it has worked to some degree. I am still trying to figure out a better way to clean the seams.

At 10ft, you can't really tell that it has it. Up close, lay people have told me that the car is scratched, since all you really see it the seam.

Overall though, the car has no pits, scratches, etc. It definately works, but maybe you have to have it refreshed every so often.
 
Re: 3M Clear Shield vs. VentureShield film?

I have several questions about the application of the clear bra for the car:

Which is the better one? Has anyone experienced any of the products above for bumper and hood in a long term? Which one would you recommend? and how do you wax it?

My neighbor quoted me for $1100 total cost:eek:


My two cents:

Better one? Dunno (no experience with VentureShield).
Bumper and hood, long term experience? Four years plus on my 2004 Imola, covered entire front fascia plus outside rear view mirrors leading edges. 3M Clear bra wearing very well and doing its job. It has several "hit marks" or "pits" in it, from doing what it is applied to do. With Imola orange, the seams do not show up quite as much if they get a bit of wax under them... I spent approx. $615 to get the Imola done.
2005 LBBP I went hog wild with! Spent some $1350 on 3M bra application, doing entire front end incl. headlight pods, and halfway up hood, plus O/S mirrors, door handle pockets, side gill opening leading edges, and dog legs behind each wheel opening. I have noted that with the LBBP paint, any wax trapped under the edge of the bra shows.
How do you wax the bra? My 3M installer stated "do not wax the bra, ever! Use this:

http://www.plexusplasticcleaner.com/plexus.html

Which I have been using on both NSX bras with satisfactory results. I've also found other auto, boating, and home uses for this product.

As far as your quoted cost of $1100, you've not explained what all you asked to be bra'd, so it is difficult to provide you feedback on that quote.
I'd like to get my Imola back to my installer and get the headlights both filmed (due to extreme costs of those h-light pods).
Hope this helps you.
 
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i've seen it installed- it took 2 hours for the whole front end. so, $200 for the film, thats $400 / hour in labor for total of $1000. i don't care how much it costs to paint- it takes a lot of labor, it is not a justification for extreme overcharging on clear bra.
 
I have both Venture shield and 3M on the same car actually, white. 3M will yellow and has more orange peel. I installed both applications. First was 3M, it was harder to stretch the film, but the film was easy to cut. The Venture Shield was easier to stretch, but harder to cut. The reason why it was hard to cut was because it bunches up when you don't get the right razor angle on it, even with an ultra sharp razor. So you have to have a lot of experience to install the Venture Shield.

The Venture Shield has a clearcoat which gives it a more desirable look IMO. That coupled with less orange peel makes it a better product. In addition, the easy stretch means you can get around edges better for a better wrap. Venture takes to a heat gun a lot better than the 3M does, too.
 
Thank you for the info. The quote that he gave me was for the front bumper and the hood only. I was shocked when he gave me the quote, he also said the Vett is about the same price because it is wide, big in front and more labor ( I was born at night, but not last night:mad:) and this guy is my neighbor too. Then I went online and it only costs TOTAL $124 for the material - free shiping, it also comes with how install instruct and the kits.

He told me that it would take about 3hours to install. So the labor is $325/hour. It is way more than the doctor can make in an hour.:mad:

Anyway, I have ordered the Venture Shield films online and I will try to install it myself. I will let you know how it turns out.

P.S. At first, he said it is about $200-$800, but he had to check the price. Then he went to my house to give me $1100 quote. LOL
 
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Okay...after reading some of the responses here, I felt compelled to reply since I do not think any of you (with the exception of maybe one person) have actually installed this material before, or understand the difference between pre-cut kits and custom cut installations (which impacts prices significantly), or what actually goes into doing a PROPER installation.

Most of the kits you see online are pre-cut kits and shaped to fit your car already. Now, to the average Joe, this is a great sounding idea. I mean, the pieces are already made to fit, right? How hard can this be? HAHA!! Good luck with that.

Since these are pre-cut kits made for people that are not skilled with (or have no desire to use) a proper knife, they are almost always cut short so that there is a significantly sized gap between the edge of the material and the edge of the panel it is being applied to. Essentially, there is more unprotected area, and the kits look worse because you can now see more edges on the piece being applied. In short, it looks half-assed for MOST people. I say most because in the hands of a proper installer who knows how to work the material, there can be some stretching of the material done. However this is much harder to do since there is no extra material to really grab onto to stretch (since it was only cut to the shape of your panel piece), and the installer must rely on careful use of their squeegee and maybe some heat, and has to be careful not to leave their fingerprints stuck to the material on the inside if they do try to grab and stretch it. Oh, and by the way, you have no real options about covering more of the car because what your piece was cut to cover by the manufacturer is all that is covered. Period. Usually they do not cover much either.

Now, on the other side of the fence are custom cut installations. These almost always look the best because the installer is using a large sheet of material and is cutting it based on what you want covered. This is great because you can really make the installation exactly what you want. Also, the installation is usually much more stealth visually because the installer can make the piece run right to the edge of the panel and cut it accordingly. There is often stretching and heat involved, but this is made much easier thanks to the fact that the installer has EXTRA MATERIAL to grab onto and not worry as much about deforming the covered area or leaving fingerprints on the inside of the material. Most high end installations are done this way because the people who are willing to pay for them want the installation to be practically invisible, and have the areas that they want completely covered to their specs.

Additionally, and important to both cases, is prep of the car. If you have some hayseed who has no idea how to prep the car, or just washes your car and then sticks on the clear shield, well, you get what you pay for, and do not be surprised if you have problems with that material peeling sooner than a proper application. A significant amount of time should be spent cleaning the area, clay barring it, removing all the wax, polishing out any faults in the paint, and they applying the material. This takes time to do correctly.

Finally, if you have ever seen someone do a really good and proper job on one of these installations, you know it takes time. Time costs money. If you want to have a job that looks okay from 10 feet away, covers less area, and looks halfway decent up close, fine. Pay your few hundred bucks and move on. If you want to cover more area, have a job that looks almost invisible (even up close), and will last for several years, then it is going to cost you more. Plain and simple. You get what you pay for. I do not understand why this is so hard to comprehend for some people. You are paying for a skill. Proper installation of this product is a skill. Does an attorney really do $250 per hour worth of hard labor? The ones I have met do not. But they earn that money based on their skill in their area of practice. This is the same thing, but it seems like since it is not a white collar job people protest the cost. All I am saying is that before some of you who have never touched this material in your life start complaining about price and labor charges, watch a real professional do a full custom job and then compare it to the 'do it at home' pre-cut kit job. Maybe that will clear up some things for you. I have lost track of the amount of 'do it yourself' jobs that I have seen with dirt and dust specs in the material, lint under the material, and all sorts of poor fitments. This is much harder to do correctly than it looks.
 
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Meeyatch1 thank you. Well stated, and I remember that you used to/still apply 3M bra's. Get what you pay for, and an experienced applicator is worth the $bucks$! We are fortunate in SE Michigan to have one.
 
Finally, if you have ever seen someone do a really good and proper job on one of these installations, you know it takes time. Time costs money. If you want to have a job that looks okay from 10 feet away, covers less area, and looks halfway decent up close, fine. Pay your few hundred bucks and move on. If you want to cover more area, have a job that looks almost invisible (even up close), and will last for several years, then it is going to cost you more. Plain and simple. You get what you pay for. I do not understand why this is so hard to comprehend for some people. You are paying for a skill. Proper installation of this product is a skill. Does an attorney really do $250 per hour worth of hard labor? The ones I have met do not. But they earn that money based on their skill in their area of practice. This is the same thing, but it seems like since it is not a white collar job people protest the cost. All I am saying is that before some of you who have never touched this material in your life start complaining about price and labor charges, watch a real professional do a full custom job and then compare it to the 'do it at home' pre-cut kit job. Maybe that will clear up some things for you. I have lost track of the amount of 'do it yourself' jobs that I have seen with dirt and dust specs in the material, lint under the material, and all sorts of poor fitments. This is much harder to do correctly than it looks.

There is always a first time for every body. I would rather to throw the money out to sharpen my skill rather spending money hoping for the skilled worker to do the right job and it would last for years. And when the people ask me, I can always say " been there, done that and many times"

As far as a professional worker vs. a skilled worker, I wonder why the blue collar jobs have been shipped to the foreign countries. Go figure!
 
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i completely understand paying for a skilled guy but really??? $400/hr is justified for an install? i can understand $100/hr for a good installer but thats it- everything above that is pure bs. does your nsx mechanic make $100/hr? i bet he is 10 times the professional. people want to get rich in 15 minutes these days, no big surprise we are all paying for that kind of attitude now.
 
i completely understand paying for a skilled guy but really??? $400/hr is justified for an install? i can understand $100/hr for a good installer but thats it- everything above that is pure bs. does your nsx mechanic make $100/hr? i bet he is 10 times the professional. people want to get rich in 15 minutes these days, no big surprise we are all paying for that kind of attitude now.

Totally agree. The guy has an advanced degree and the guy has a high school diploma get paid at the same level? Dream on.
 
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I finished putting on the clear bra it took me only 3 hours with long breaks in between. The result is like a professional work and very happy with the result. I have saved tons of money.

This weekend I will try to put on the whole hood and fenders. This is not a pre-cut but rather than customized because it is R-hood.
 
I finished putting on the clear bra it took me only 3 hours with long breaks in between. The result is like a professional work and very happy with the result. I have saved tons of money.

This weekend I will try to put on the whole hood and fenders. This is not a pre-cut but rather than customized because it is R-hood.

Please post detailed pictures when you are done.
 
Totally agree. The guy has an advanced degree and the guy has a high school diploma get paid at the same level? Dream on.

Ahhh....have to love elitist thinking. Well done boys...well done. :rolleyes:

Oh, and I double majored at Purdue, so it is not that I do not appreciate education, just that some skills do not require a suit, tie, or medical scrubs, and I appreciate those skills as well.
 
Ahhh....have to love elitist thinking. Well done boys...well done. :rolleyes:

Oh, and I double majored at Purdue, so it is not that I do not appreciate education, just that some skills do not require a suit, tie, or medical scrubs, and I appreciate those skills as well.

Congrats on your achievements. I do appreciate some of skills that really require to have the skill to be able to finish the job such as a sculptor and artist, and I will not mind paying big bucks for such works. I actually own several pieces of art works that cost me thousands of dollars and I really don't mind paying for it at all.
But not just to put on a damn clear bra for that kind of the money ( freeway robbery?:rolleyes:)

My point is some skills that require to use their heads do deserve to get paid well, not the labor skills because everyone can do that.
 
My point is some skills that require to use their heads do deserve to get paid well, not the labor skills because everyone can do that.


The selling price of a product, service, skill, etc., is worth what the buying public is willing to pay.
 
The selling price of a product, service, skill, etc., is worth what the buying public is willing to pay.

Ever check out what high end "escorts" make:wink:
 
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