2 speeding tickets on 1 day :(

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Just want to share and vent my frustration. I was driving to work on 22E in Westminister (Orange County) area in my NSX. Pulled over by a motorcycle cop that sat on the side of the freeway. By the time I saw him holding the radar gun, I knew it was too late. I was going with the flow of traffic, but I was the lead car in the pack, and ofcourse the car looks fast.., so I must be going fast theory applied.

When he caught up to me and flashed the lights, I was coming up to the merge with 405N, and I didn't think it was save to pull aside at that point. In addition, the side curb looked to be only 1/2 car width, and I did not want to pull over with 1/2 of my car sitting in a freeway lane. So I drove through the merge, and pulled along side about 1/2 mile down from the merge, which is probably about ~1 mile from when he first flashed me. I guess somewhere around the merge, he sounded the siren, so by the time he stopped behind me, I heard the blaring siren.

Upon walking up to my car, he asked why I didn't stop when he first flashed me, and I explained that I did not feel safe to pull over and park in the middle of the freeway, and also, I did not feel safe to pull over close to 2 freeway merging point, thus, I looked for the next safe spot to pull over. Cop asked how do I know if the spot is safe or not, and why I did not stop when he flashed me.

I explained AGAIN why I did not feel safe..., to which he asked me if I was trained in determining what is considered 'safe' spot to pull over on the freeway, to which I replied no. His response was that the cops are trained to look for safe spots, and that I needed to pull over at the point when he flashed me.

Keeping to the rules of not making big scene when pulled over, I don't think any good would come out of arguing with this guy over a moot point, so I politely stated that I do not want to argue over this point, and I was simply answering his question on why I did not stop at the point when he flashed me. His response to me was "Then, zip it!".

I was cited for a speeding ticket, however, thinking back on the incident. I took great offense to his attitude and disrespect. A police officer is a profession, and like any other professionals, I would never tell someon to 'zip it' in that setting. I extended my courtesy to answer his questions, and his response was completely uncalled for. I don't believe his badge gives him the right to be rude or snooty.

Talking to other friends, they reminded that cops around Westminister don't like Asians. All my life, I've hated anyone using race as a reason for any agenda. I took even bigger offense at this officer(at this point, I don't think he deserves the title of "officer") for being rude based on steretypes, or even previous experiences. So, like any other minority, "Driving While Asian" is cause for rudeness?

I am angry, but not sure at who. Myself for not being more careful while driving the NSX? I feel bad the cop has wrong impression of a particular race, maybe due to his previous experiences? I am angry that the disrespect was uncalled for, and that I did not voice my discontent out of fear of getting into more trouble with 'authority'. What is this authority that supposed to serve and protect? I am done rambling..., I'll write about ticket #2 another time.
 
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SilverOne said:
I explained AGAIN why I did not feel safe..., to which he asked me if I was trained in determining what is considered 'safe' spot to pull over on the freeway, to which I replied no. His response was that the cops are trained to look for safe spots, and that I needed to pull over at the point when he flashed me.
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As far as I am concerned, in California at least, there is absolutley no safe place to pull over on any freeway. I have seen people not paying attention and crashing because of a Futon on the side of the road let alone a motorcycle with a bunch of shiny lights. :eek:
Most of our traffic jams and accidents are from people not paying attention(cell phones,rubber neck'n, etc.) which has nothing to do with location of a stop. Cop was just ignorant.

-j-
 
I'm certainly sorry this happened to you. Please, take a few minutes and speak with his duty Sgt. on this matter, go to the police dept in person if you can. I had this experience with the local police a few years back. I went to the local station and talked to the Sgt. I kindly explained that, if I unknowingly made a mistake while driving (not stating guilt of course), that I deserved to be cited but his "attitude" was unnecessary, uncalled for, and very unprofessional. And that officers like him were giving the department a bad reputation for doing an important yet difficult job.

He revoked my ticket! :cool:
 
I would also recommend going to the station and filing a report because who knows how many he has done this in the past and because there is no documentation of it.... it looks as if it is an isolated incedence. At least when there are past reports of rude conduct or racial profiling there is something to show and support others claims in the future.
 
interesting, never thought of going to the station. It's CHP, not local PD that gave me the ticket, I have no idea where to go find a CHP office, much less the one where the cop works out of, or a supervisor that will know the cop? Or does that matter?
 
I agree. I would report this jerkoff. My main point would be that you felt unsafe personally and that you wanted to pull someplace where you felt secure in stopping AND the officer would be safe as well. What pisses me off about police officers like this (please excuse how upset this makes me) is that you were not meaning harm, and were actually trying to HELP him not get hit, as well as yourself. Officers are NOT allowed to treat you like crap just because they have a badge and you do not. Heck, I have even heard ads that were POLICE SPONSORED that said if you did not feel safe or were not sure if the police officer was real that you should proceed to a safe spot first!! :mad: :confused:

I had this happen a few years back when an officer pulled up behind me on a busy main road around here. I had my right turn signal on already (I was turning into a shopping center) when his lights came on. I completed my turn off of the busy main road and stopped in the mall. You would have thought I shot at the guy!! He was yelling and cursing and this and that after I had gone about 75 yards from the time he turned on his lights to being at a total stop.

My theory is that it is ego. They are pissed that you did not respect their authority and stop immediately and that fries them. A friend of mine actually quit the Indiana State Police because he said he had never seen so many hypocritical people in his life, nor had he sped WITHOUT CAUSE so much in his life. After a while he just got fed up and quit.
 
Meeyatch1 said:
Heck, I have even heard ads that were POLICE SPONSORED that said if you did not feel safe or were not sure if the police officer was real that you should proceed to a safe spot first!! :mad: :confused:
I've heard those ads too. The one other thing I could think of is that if it's not safe to pull over, then put on your hazards to let the cop know you see him, and that you mean to pull over. Besides that, he was a jerk...
 
Right or center - there is really no safe spot to stop on a Ca. freeway...
I am sure the following officer was "trained to look for safe spots"
Would a safe exit and stop on a surface street have prevented this... http://www.lowball.com/WEEKLY/8-30-01.htm
I think so.
-j-
 
As a retired police supervisor I implore you to go to the station and file a written complaint for rudeness and unprofessional conduct. You are right that police are paid to be professionals and do their job in a professional, polite manner. Do not just let this go - it is a small handfull of officers that give all a bad reputation.

As for pulling over when they turn on the lights, I would say that most often the officer times his stop for a safe pull-over location, however not all officers think that far ahead, believe it or not. I can remember rolling up on one of my officers on a stop and thinking WTF...why would he/she stop someone here? Then have a heart to heart with the officer once the citizen was gone.

Bottom line, rudeness is actionable against the officer and when they amass complaints related to their ability to relate to the community, it can affect their ability to promote.
 
Cops are passive/aggressive assholes.

They like to pull up on you, try to get you to admit some sort of guilt to placate them, and then say "well, I was going to let you go, but since you said that..." We'll let you go if you just confess and when you do, even if not guilty, then, suddenly, they become very aggressive. I got a ticket cuz I had a 3rd riding in my NSX in DC the other night. The cop wanted me to admit that I'd been drinking that night. I denied having done so. He's like, so you haven't had ONE thing to drink tonight? And, I was like, oh yeah, I had a beer w/ dinner 3 hrs ago. "So you HAVE been drinking tonight! Why'd you say you haven't?" You can see where this is going. So, I reply, well, it was 3 hrs ago and that would make it LAST night not THIS night. And, then, his partner starts the aggressive shit, "oh, you're a smartass huh, wtf is your problem" and then they get out and start the ticket process. My fault; I should have maintained my story or begun telling them how I haven't drunk since 2002 when I let Jesus Christ into my life and if they'd like to wait I have some literature in my trunk that I can share with them...have they accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior? I bet a "code 3" would have come up right away very conveniently elsewhere in the District at that point.

I figure, hell, just stop in the middle of the road. The cop is the one going to get hit and killed by the errant driver. I have never had a problem w/ police here if I pull off the main road and get out of the way. Why'd you stop, they ask..."hey, man, I was just looking out for you and trying to keep you safe, these people out on these roads are nutz and I couldn't stand having that on my conscience." Then, launch into the Jesus stuff and you're in the clear.
 
Patdeisa said:
<snip>The one other thing I could think of is that if it's not safe to pull over, then put on your hazards to let the cop know you see him, and that you mean to pull over.<snip>
this seems like a *very* good suggestion. being a police officer in today's world must be a **bitch** of a job, so this would be a painless means of communicating your intentions/actions to the officer sooner rather than later.

that said, i'd file a written report re officer and his behavior asap.
 
queenlives said:
this seems like a *very* good suggestion. being a police officer in today's world must be a **bitch** of a job, so this would be a painless means of communicating your intentions/actions to the officer sooner rather than later.
Thanks, but I can't take the credit for the idea- it was in one of those CHP ads...
 
SilverOne said:
Just want to share and vent my frustration. I was driving to work on 22E in Westminister (Orange County) area in my NSX. Pulled over by a motorcycle cop that sat on the side of the freeway. By the time I saw him holding the radar gun, I knew it was too late. I was going with the flow of traffic, but I was the lead car in the pack, and ofcourse the car looks fast.., so I must be going fast theory applied.

When he caught up to me and flashed the lights, I was coming up to the merge with 405N, and I didn't think it was save to pull aside at that point. In addition, the side curb looked to be only 1/2 car width, and I did not want to pull over with 1/2 of my car sitting in a freeway lane. So I drove through the merge, and pulled along side about 1/2 mile down from the merge, which is probably about ~1 mile from when he first flashed me. I guess somewhere around the merge, he sounded the siren, so by the time he stopped behind me, I heard the blaring siren.

Upon walking up to my car, he asked why I didn't stop when he first flashed me, and I explained that I did not feel safe to pull over and park in the middle of the freeway, and also, I did not feel safe to pull over close to 2 freeway merging point, thus, I looked for the next safe spot to pull over. Cop asked how do I know if the spot is safe or not, and why I did not stop when he flashed me.

I explained AGAIN why I did not feel safe..., to which he asked me if I was trained in determining what is considered 'safe' spot to pull over on the freeway, to which I replied no. His response was that the cops are trained to look for safe spots, and that I needed to pull over at the point when he flashed me.

Keeping to the rules of not making big scene when pulled over, I don't think any good would come out of arguing with this guy over a moot point, so I politely stated that I do not want to argue over this point, and I was simply answering his question on why I did not stop at the point when he flashed me. His response to me was "Then, zip it!".

I was cited for a speeding ticket, however, thinking back on the incident. I took great offense to his attitude and disrespect. A police officer is a profession, and like any other professionals, I would never tell someon to 'zip it' in that setting. I extended my courtesy to answer his questions, and his response was completely uncalled for. I don't believe his badge gives him the right to be rude or snooty.

Talking to other friends, they reminded that cops around Westminister don't like Asians. All my life, I've hated anyone using race as a reason for any agenda. I took even bigger offense at this officer(at this point, I don't think he deserves the title of "officer") for being rude based on steretypes, or even previous experiences. So, like any other minority, "Driving While Asian" is cause for rudeness?

I am angry, but not sure at who. Myself for not being more careful while driving the NSX? I feel bad the cop has wrong impression of a particular race, maybe due to his previous experiences? I am angry that the disrespect was uncalled for, and that I did not voice my discontent out of fear of getting into more trouble with 'authority'. What is this authority that supposed to serve and protect? I am done rambling..., I'll write about ticket #2 another time.

David,

It was great meeting you today. Your '94 Brooklands is one of the cleanest I've seen around. After a ride in your car, I have to agree that the Gruppe M exhaust sounds very SWEET.

Hope you reported this unprofessional jerkoff. I've had a similar experience in the past. Interestingly, it was in Alhambra; much like Westminster, there's an Asian majority (or near majority) population. I was pulled over for an illegal left turn out of a cafe parking lot one evening (I didn't see the no left turn sign onto Valley Blvd). The police officer was immediately ANGRY with me, even though the turn was otherwise safe and I was apologetic and polite. I apologized for not seeing the sign and I didn't even try to talk him out of the ticket. This seemed to make him more angry. He yelled at me, pulled me out of the car, and continued to grill/chastise me. His partner, who was much younger and likely less jaded, also seemed surprised by the anger displayed by the officer. He just stood to the side and watched with a confused look on his face. :confused:

This went on for awhile until the officer's anger eventually subsided. After my initial apology, I decided to just keep my mouth shut and let him yell at me. Of course he ended up giving me the ticket. To this day, I wish I had gone down to the station and filed a complaint.

Although this incident was years ago, the memory of it (and the memory of my anger about it) has lasted. Maybe these cops are mad that they were placed in these areas instead of in some cush beach community with fewer minorities? Who knows.

Recently, I was pulled over at LAX Airport. I had just purchased the NSX, and I was dropping my friend off early in the morning. My NSX has dark tinted windows and no front plate (bought it that way), and a motorcycle cop pulled me over for it. Unfortunately, I had left my license at a car dealership the day before, test driving a car, and I didn't have my registration paperwork with me either. Luckily, I had an expired license (just for identification sake), and I had just registered the vehicle and put on the sticker. But without a current license and registration, I thought for sure I'd be given a ticket.

Instead, the cop started asking me about the car, i.e. how much did I buy it for, what year is it, etc. I told him what I payed for the car and gave him some details about how to buy/find one (free Prime advertising). After a very short chat, he let me off with a warning.

But he was Asian too. :wink: :biggrin:

Mike
 
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Thanks for the advices. I've decided to go in and bring up my concern of this officer's use of his authority. Being that it's CHP, I am guessing to go to the one nearest where the incident occured.

Any advice on who I should ask to speak to? What is the process like (how long)? Should I prepare a written statement ahead of time? Looking for most efficient and effective way. I don't want to get into arguments, nor to whine and bitch. Just want to bring this incident to the attention of the mgmt.

Any experience or advice will be appreciated.
 
It doesn't appear very wise for you to jump to conclusions about the root of his hostility. To just assume that he was rude b/c you are asian is a little childish.

You seem to have a little chip on your shoulder. Most police need to feel powerful, and when you have even the least bit of attitude it will set them off.

He shouldn't have acted that way though, and I wish you luck with reporting him. I don't like attitude anymore than the next guy. Especially from egomaniacal cops.
 
I am alittle disturbed by liftshard's attitude - hate to say it but if that attitute was present when stopped, I can see why he was put through the drill. Then the comment about "the cop is the one going to get hit and killed by the erant driver......" liftshard, you need to do some introspective thinking about what it is you are trying to prove.

As for the complaint process if you go into any CHP office and tell them you wish to file a written complaint, they will provide you with the form. I would just spell out the circumstances of the stop and the statements made on both sides. Remember, if you provide some sanitized version as to your contribution, "I was an angel" then it will ultimately cost you credability in their investigation once they speak with the officer re the incident.

After you complete the form make sure you get the name of the supervisor that accepts it as well as a copy of your report. This will make it easy for you to follow-up on in the event the form is lost.

Next, check the attitude at the car door. Cops have a tough job and some of them do have bad days. But not all of them are like that, the experience at the airport by the member above is proof of that. He had several violations and was still given a warning.

Regardless of what you say, when the police are asking you about drinking, it is usually becasue they smell evidence of drinking, they don't ask every driver they stop if they have been drinking. Then for you to play the game of it was 3 hours ago so it was last night, is childish and antagonistic. And since you said that it was only a three hour earlier drink, and was the night before, that meant it was what 3:00 AM approximately? I would imagine a large percentage of those on the road at that time are people coming from drinking....it all fits the pattern. You are lucky they didn't pull you out of the car and run you through some field sobriety tests.....
 
jimmycinla said:
SilverOne said:
I explained AGAIN why I did not feel safe..., to which he asked me if I was trained in determining what is considered 'safe' spot to pull over on the freeway, to which I replied no. His response was that the cops are trained to look for safe spots, and that I needed to pull over at the point when he flashed me.
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I would have told the cop about those video recordings of cops almost hit by other drivers while pulling people over, like on THE MOST AMAZING POLICE VIDEO.
 
pvmike said:
Instead, the cop started asking me about the car, i.e. how much did I buy it for, what year is it, etc. I told him what I payed for the car and gave him some details about how to buy/find one (free Prime advertising). After a very short chat, he let me off with a warning.

But he was Asian too. :wink: :biggrin:

Mike
I thought he was checking you out to see if you stole the car.
 
I will not report the cop as a racist or racial profiling as that was not a clear case. Just report rudeness and unnecessary hostility.
 
Cairo94507 said:
I am alittle disturbed by liftshard's attitude - hate to say it but if that attitute was present when stopped, I can see why he was put through the drill. Then the comment about "the cop is the one going to get hit and killed by the erant driver......" liftshard, you need to do some introspective thinking about what it is you are trying to prove.

If the cop wants to be a d!ck, let him get hit by a car for it. His own damned fault.

Next, check the attitude at the car door. Cops have a tough job and some of them do have bad days.

boo hoo.

Regardless of what you say, when the police are asking you about drinking, it is usually becasue they smell evidence of drinking, they don't ask every driver they stop if they have been drinking. Then for you to play the game of it was 3 hours ago so it was last night, is childish and antagonistic. And since you said that it was only a three hour earlier drink, and was the night before, that meant it was what 3:00 AM approximately? I would imagine a large percentage of those on the road at that time are people coming from drinking....it all fits the pattern. You are lucky they didn't pull you out of the car and run you through some field sobriety tests.....

I would have refused the road sobriety test. And, they cannot smell evidence of jack squat from 10 feet away, buddy. The reason I got a ticket was because the people in the car with me starting mouthing off. I would have been ok by myself.

And, YES, they do ask every driver if they've been drinking if it's a nighttime stop.
 
how'd you fit 3 people in a 2seater car?

you deserved your ticket if you did that.

and the POLICE OFFICER above would know more about procedure at nighttime than you. I've been pulled over 3 times afer dark, once at 3am. Was NEVER asked about drinking.


Just because someone's a police officer doesn't mean they're a dick. Quit being a child. They are doing their job, which is to enforce the law. If you don't like it, buy a bicycle? or be pissed off at the law-makers.
 
Take the whole damn CHP to court! If I were you I would take a week off work and trackdown everyone of his superiors and let them know that that officer violated your rights and that his behaviour and the new CHP anti asian program is plenty for you to file a suit agianst the CHP for racisim and harasment..get a couple good lawers and make them pay!...the government gets paid to serve you,..JZ
 
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