1991 NSX For Sale in Norway.

[NSXLR8R]

OK, I know this is not the right place for this, but I was pretty sure you guys would not look in the USA classifieds to buy a car in Norway??!? Anyway, it is a 1991 Red/Black. 83K miles. Laods of extra's. I will not even get into it here. Basically, if you or a friend are interested, we can then discuss it. It is a US car. Acura, not Honda badged. Not registered on this side of the pond, so price is way down to buy, and if you wish, you handle all taxes, registration, etc., with what you save. Would make a great buy for a race car.

Hey, we are not talking about anything else here, so this is better than nothing??? Right??? So,

1. What are these cars going for over here? I can do the VAT calcs, etc., but only with a start price?
2. How many cars are for sale now in Norway?
3. What is the interest level for purchases in Norway?
4. Can we as a Norway Group decide what this should go for?
5. Is it worth trying, or should I just take my toys and go home?!?!

Thanks in advance guys!

 

[martin]

OK, I know this is not the right place for this, but I was pretty sure you guys would not look in the USA classifieds to buy a car in Norway??!? Anyway, it is a 1991 Red/Black. 83K miles. Laods of extra's. I will not even get into it here. Basically, if you or a friend are interested, we can then discuss it. It is a US car. Acura, not Honda badged. Not registered on this side of the pond, so price is way down to buy, and if you wish, you handle all taxes, registration, etc., with what you save. Would make a great buy for a race car.

Hey, we are not talking about anything else here, so this is better than nothing??? Right??? So,

1. What are these cars going for over here? I can do the VAT calcs, etc., but only with a start price?
2. How many cars are for sale now in Norway?
3. What is the interest level for purchases in Norway?
4. Can we as a Norway Group decide what this should go for?
5. Is it worth trying, or should I just take my toys and go home?!?!

Thanks in advance guys!

Hi John

Remember me? We had a few mails going back and forth when you first came to Norway. Well I have since bought Gheba's NSX and are very satisfied.

To answer your question

1. A 1991 NSX go for from 330.000->400.000NOK =49097$->59512$ ready on the road based on prices from mobile.de and also on the ones that have been for sale in Norway lately. That is included a lot of tax and vat and shit.

2. AFAIK there are two NSX's for sale in Norway at the moment.

It is this for 54900$ and these guys had a 1995 "Senna Edition" (not sure what that is) for sale for about 66951$ (not there at the moment maybe sold)

I am not sure how many really want a NSX and can make it happen. Many want one for sure, but it is a lot of money for a old car with the norwegian tax. (which is crazy!)

What you could do is to go to this
calculator there you just enter what you would like for your NSX. Then enter engine and year and weight and horsepower.

Then you get a calculation of what the tax will be on the car.

I do not know in what condition your NSX are, but if you check out Mobile.de and take the cheapest NSX there at €23.900=$30.000 which gives a price on the street in Norway of $50176.

That is maybe a little low because you have to go and get it too. But it is a low okey price.

If you take the most expencive 1991 model on Mobile.de at €34950 you will end up on 454.663NOK=$67645 which is expencive.

I hope this was helpfull. For any norwegian which want norwegian plates they have to pay the tax. If they want to run it on "dealer plates" then you have to pay for the car plus 24% of the sales sum on the contract. (contract does not always reflect what you actually paid for the car I been told)

If I had dealer plates (people that run a carfirm or import cars have) I could have bought your NSX and used it with the dealer plates. Then I do not have to pay the tax before I wanted real plates or sold it to someone that want.

If you want I could post some on the norwegian Club honda website forum if you want. But it is maybe a little early for this.

Regards

 

[NSXLR8R]

Martin,

Thanks a bunch, and yes, I do recall chatting with you, and your greeting my arrival in Norway. That information helps enormously!

Basically, I have come to terms with parting with her. After about 6 years of joyful owenership, I just feel that in my current lifestyle, the NSX is and indulgence, that I can do without. Therefore, if you wish to post the sales notification to other sites, feel free to do so. If I get a resonable offer, I will take it!

The car is in great shape. Not showroom, but above average. It has been used as mainly a track car for the last 4 years (which it is set up for now), and therfore shows it a little. In things like the fender linners, front bumper rock chips, etc. Nothing out of the ordinary. Typical minor seat wear onthe drivers side, and the drivers side door speaker has failed. Other than that, I can not think of anyting else wrong with it.

Ok, well, I took a look at the calcualtor, and it was very helpful! I do have a question though. The car listed for sale in your first link for 54900$ (NOK 369000), that price includes the VAT, Tax, etc. in that price, right?!?!

In other words, If I asked approximately 250.000 NOK for my car, and said it was up to the buyer to cover all VAT, Tax, etc. Then the total cost to them would end up at 393.574 NOK. Right?

Can the car be sold this way in Norway, or does it have to be registered and taxed first?

Thanks again for the help. This is really starting to make sense to me now!

 

[midNight Sun Xpress]

Hi, John.
Sorry to hear that you are selling the NSX. We were hoping to get you as instructor on one of our track-days in Club Honda Norway.
Anyway, there is no problem selling the car without tax/VAT. The buyer need a documentation of ownership and exportpapers from US + ordinary sales documents (contract).
The buyer then takes these papers to the local Customs Office, they calculate the taxes (as Martin said + tax for A/C, "Wrecking fee" and the annual fee for the license plate).
After paying all this, the buyer returns to Customs and gets the necessary papers for registration, then brings the car to the registration office (yes, they HAVE to see the car). Then after paying for the cars documents and licenseplates, he is finished.
And the key-word here is payment, payment, payment.
I doubled the price for my 91 from buying to driving.....

 

[NSXLR8R]

Well, it is not sold yet. I gotta find somone who wants to pay that for a 91 first. If that person comes along, then I will sell, if not, then I will be geared for the instucting at a Honda Event! Keep me posted on the next one planned. I had a great summer, but not much driving in Norway. Got back to the USA a few times to get some seat time! Hopefully between now and the time I sell, there might be and event I can participate in.

BTW, do you think that price is fair?

 

[martin]

Hi

First about the car I posted a link to. Yes it was "plate ready".

Fair price? I am not sure. I do not know your car. I know my car, and it was worth the money I paid for it. Maybe it ended up in the upper scale pricewise, but it was worth it when I consider condition/mods/servicehistory/seller.

I know that there is one that has been sold for 375.000NOK not long ago here in Norway. It had a new clutch and a lot of things done which makes the price kind of cheap for that one. There is the one I linked to which goes for 369.000,- NOK. Another one was advertised last year (when I bought mine). It was advertised for 395.000,-NOK (That one had about 65.000km on it)

If you want 250.000,-NOK + tax then you will end up at approx 393.000,-NOK. Your calculation is correct.

If your NSX is worth that price is difficult for me to say since I do not know milage, servicehistory and things like that.
(Edit okey mileage I know)

I am sure that there are different meanings about this but I would say that a mint/good NSX should go for about 400.000NOK and maybe above. A average/good NSX for about 350.000 and above. A cheap NSX for approx 330.000,- NOK.

"Normal price" would be 370.000 and more I would think.

If you take a look at mobile.de you will find that the lowest priced NSX is about 205.000,-NOK it will be about 337.000NOK+. The most expencive will be over 400.000NOK.

Regards

 

[martin]

Hi

I posted a message on the Club-Honda.org forum in Norway.

You can see it here

I think it will create some traffic because they will think it is mine that is for sale

If you have any more info on the car what modifications you have done and anything else I would be greatfull if you PM'd me or sent me a email about that.

I will forward any mails I get to you. Do you want me to translate the mails to english for you?

Regards

 

[midNight Sun Xpress]

When I bought mine, the NOK/CHF was appx. 500, today it is 550, = 10% increase on the price for the car. Euro has changed from 7,30 to 8,50 in the same period. USD on the other hand has dropped, as I am sure you have noticed.

This has only effect for what you pay for the car abroad + VAT. The rest of the taxes are calculated on weight, HP etc.
In good condition, an NSX should not be sold for less than 375'.

About track-days in the north this summer, I hope I will get confirmation from the circuit today.

 

[NSXLR8R]

Martin,

Thanks for that. Wow, seems to be a trend in the typical response. What the **** topping the list?!?!? I think your right that they think it is yours.

You don't need to spend time translating, Norsk er greit for meg, but thanks for offering.

A little about the car.

1991 Red/Black Acura NSX
Custom Suspension
Bilstein Shocks
After Market Sways
Rear Camber Adjustment Mod (for lowered cars)
K&N Filter Charger (but I have the original intake)
Harness Bar and Harnesses
Custom Exhaust (have stock one as well)
Smartenna
Car cover
Bra (pretty worn. I only used it for protection at the track)
3 sets of stock old style rims (with track tires mounted, varying types and wear amounts)
3 sets of street rims:
(16/17 Fittipaldi Interlagos 2 of 4 are curbed rashed, but all have tires with 70% left on them)
(17/18 Antera's used for just back up and emergency needs. Old style, with usuable tires, but not much left in them)
(17/18 Advans in Perfect Condition. No scratches or marks, and New tires)

Car is set up for speed. Extremely well set up, fully height adjustable suspension, and corner balanced. The original set of stock suspension is boxed up and included, plus and additional set of stock suspension I should rid myself of. Both used, but fully functional.

The car has dynoed at 256 RWHP making it the second strongest NA NSX I have ever witnessed dynoed.

Of course I have always maintained the fluids on schedule, and with track use, ahead of shedule in many cases.

Car has a new clutch. with less than 2K miles on it.

The car itself now has 83 K miles. The exterior is in better than average condition for its age and mileage. One scratch on the passenger side rocker panel during shipping. The interior is in excellent condition. Passenger seat has no cuts or visible wear. Drivers seat has no cuts and very little wear (less than most I have seen).

Car needs timing belt changed within next 10K miles, and a good pilot.

I can take pictures if a serious inquiry/desire arises. I got loads of old ones already.

 

[martin]

Hi

Wow you really have done a lot of modding

I will post this in the thread on the norwegian group. I will have to "come clean" that it is not my car

You have a lot of rims. Would you be interested in selling a set of track rims? I have one set of 17/16 94 rims which I use on summer. Then I have a set of orginal which I have wintertires on.

It would be nice to have a set of track rims/tires too.

Let me know.

I will during the day post the info about your mods in the thread and let them know that it is not my car. Only minutes after I posted that ad yesterday I got a lot of

Regards

 

[gheba_nsx]

NSXLR8R, sorry for the stolen bandwidth here!

martin, I wrote you two emails in the last days, maybe you have an email problem? It was to help you with the stuff I have at home. BTW, I wrote to your bergvill.com address.

 

[BITeR]

Re: Re: 1991 NSX For Sale in Norway.

To answer your question

1. A 1991 NSX go for from 330.000->400.000NOK =49097$->59512$ ready on the road based on prices from mobile.de and also on the ones that have been for sale in Norway lately. That is included a lot of tax and vat and shit.

I have to chime in here on this price debate. Yes, NSXes in Norway have been sold as low as 330 000, but it is very dangerous to say anything about the "normal" sales value on these cars. 330 000 for a high milage (150 000km+) with ok history and decent condition is fair, but still actually quite cheap.
400 000 for a mint 1991 is also cheap, and very rare. Find a 1991 NSX mint with no accidents, low milage (around 60 000 km)and perfect history and it should be 420-440 000 at least. However like anything else for sale, the market decides the price. 400 000+ is a lot of money for a car even if it is an NSX, and there will not be many buyers.

2. AFAIK there are two NSX's for sale in Norway at the moment.

It is this for 54900$ and these guys had a 1995 "Senna Edition" (not sure what that is) for sale for about 66951$ (not there at the moment maybe sold)

I've seen the first car here is not very nice. Seats are worn and paint is not good. It looks to have been in accidents (body panels don't line up), and IMO there is no way it has only 50 000 km. It shows signs of much more. Now, this car would be a steal IF it was in a 50 000 km mint condition, but it's not even close.
Pisses me off that people claim a 50 000 km NSX should go for 360 000 kr. Messes up the pricelevel for nice NSXes. The dealer must have bought it for less that that too. Makes me even more suspicious.

I am not sure how many really want a NSX and can make it happen. Many want one for sure, but it is a lot of money for a old car with the norwegian tax. (which is crazy!)

What you could do is to go to this
calculator there you just enter what you would like for your NSX. Then enter engine and year and weight and horsepower.

Then you get a calculation of what the tax will be on the car.

I do not know in what condition your NSX are, but if you check out Mobile.de and take the cheapest NSX there at €23.900=$30.000 which gives a price on the street in Norway of $50176.

That is maybe a little low because you have to go and get it too. But it is a low okey price.

If you take the most expencive 1991 model on Mobile.de at €34950 you will end up on 454.663NOK=$67645 which is expencive.

This is all correct, but the fact is that a buyer has to go down there an get it, and assume it's a good car before he leaves, and maybe buy from a private seller, or even worse, a corrupt dealership. Add at least 2-5000 dollars to those prices for a car already here in Norway, unless you get it yourself and find a good one on the first try.

Enough about pricing, point is that it's difficult. And it's always hard to get good prices (or justify it) for a nice car, when there are crocks out there messing with the prices.

Now the tricky part for your US car is the "type approval" (eu technical approval) for it to be registered in Norway. Honda probably have these and they cost 2500-3000 NOK. Now the actual registration can be trouble. First, the headlights probably has to be changed (need asymetrical beams). Then a side blinker probably has to be fitted. All these technical issues may depend on the guy inspecting it. If you're lucky, they will not make you do then changes at all. I know all this because I have registered a US car before, as well as several German cars.

Assuming you want the buyer to do all this work, you should lower the price 5-10 000 NOK just for the work, and more for parts/rebuild costs. As in any marked, maybe selling some of your go fast parts will be good for you. Still, 360 000-380 000 (for a registered car) should be very possible, unless you just want to get rid of it and dump the price. It will take quite some time to sell either way.

 

[martin]

Hi

Biter..some comments on you post. I agree on your views about price. It boils down to what a buyer wants to pay for the car.

The dealership messes up the price and makes it "artifical" low I agree. Makes it hard to sell a higher milage car even if it is much better. You have to justify the price and that is not easy if the buyer have not compared the cars themself or have had qualified people to do it.

Not every NSX buyer does what we do here on Prime. I did a lot of research before I decided to go and get mine. Many people have had people here from Prime check out possible buys. That is very nice.

Info like the one you have about the car for sale in Oslo is very usefull for somebody that would consider buying it. I am afraid that since the NSX is such a rare car that a possible buyer for the car will buy it and never now. But the same things goes for a NSX as for any other car. You have to consider wear and tear based on the milage (or claimed milage).

About buying a car in Germany or anywhere else my point of view was probably a "fairy tale buy" where everything go as planned

Biter has a lot more experience in getting cars from Germany and other places than me. But I think that 5000$ for a car already in Norway is too much.

You ofcourse have to calculate plane ticket, export plates, ferry ticket, gasoline, speeding tickets, papers, registering and more. But I would still think that 5000$ is too much. But I may be wrong as I have only imported one "fairy tale" car.

About the "Type approval" document. You can get those from
Tuv Nord Kiel.

I stopped at their office in Kiel before I drove onto the ferry. They do send the documents you need too. I can not remember what I paid, but it was approx. 1000,-NOk=150$

I do not know about the headlights. I know that this was a issue before when I imported a motorcycle from Canada in 1995 or so. I do believe that it is easier now, but I may be wrong.

When I come to think about it I do think that the Acura that was for sale here in Norway about the same time as I bought mine had to mount side blinkers. I found a note I did on that car. And I have written that it has sideblinkers on the front fender and also side markers yellow on front and red at the back (which I suppose are standard in USA?)

Well that is all for now

Regards

 

[midNight Sun Xpress]

We already have a few Acura in Norway. Might be an idea to call one of the owners and ask what changes had to be done before registration. I might help you with an former US resident who imported his own a few years back.

 

[BITeR]

About buying a car in Germany or anywhere else my point of view was probably a "fairy tale buy" where everything go as planned

Biter has a lot more experience in getting cars from Germany and other places than me. But I think that 5000$ for a car already in Norway is too much.

You ofcourse have to calculate plane ticket, export plates, ferry ticket, gasoline, speeding tickets, papers, registering and more. But I would still think that 5000$ is too much. But I may be wrong as I have only imported one "fairy tale" car.

Well, I see your point, but the fact is, deales are making money on cars, and for a 400 000 car, that may sit for sale for maybe 6 months, 5000$, or around 30 000 NOK is not that much.

Martin, if you sum the money you spent on your trip, it's difficult to get below 5000 NOK, but yes it's possible
(Since I know Martin drove with virtually no sleep on the road back, eliminating hotel cost, LOL)

About the "Type approval" document. You can get those from
Tuv Nord Kiel.

I stopped at their office in Kiel before I drove onto the ferry. They do send the documents you need too. I can not remember what I paid, but it was approx. 1000,-NOk=150$

This is true for cars with a german VIN #, I'm not sure they have it for US cars, but it is quite possible. You'll have to check.

I do not know about the headlights. I know that this was a issue before when I imported a motorcycle from Canada in 1995 or so. I do believe that it is easier now, but I may be wrong.

All I know is that they(headlights) have to be "E" approved, a little E in a circle that is on the headlamp. All euro cars have this "E"

 

[NSXLR8R]

Oddly enough, I am and Acura NSX owner in Noway, but have not been required to go through the processes of registration, vehicle changes, etc. I did have the car inspected at customs though, and they siad it was fine for me to drive while I was living here.

I find it a little strange. The car is fine for me to drive, and I do weekly to keep it up, in Norway. I can drive it for as long as I live here, as long as I never delcare that I am going to live in Norway forever, or apply for anything other than and extension to my work visa. Wierd?!?!

I am legally on the same roads with you guys everyday, in either my Land Rover or the NSX niether of which are registered, but if I sell it, suddenly all that changes?!?

Sorry, back to what I was saying. The inspection guys told me that if I ever declare I will be in Norway indefinately, I will have too:

1. Add a backup light, which the NSX USA Spec. already has, but is in the wrong place apparently??! (could just change the rear tail light panel to a European one)
2. Add marker lights on the left and right front fenders. I understand the wiring is already there, so just need the lights added. Customs said it is not a huge deal, so as stated by BITeR, it will depend on the inspector.
3.They said the headlights are fine for Norway. Bigger problem when importing to a country of right hand drive.
4. Pay the Taxes, fees, etc.

I have been told the Stavanger Customs people are much easier to deal with than the ones in bigger cities like Oslo, so that might come into play?!? They were very nice and helpful to me!

BTW, I am not interested in tearing the car apart, only to replace performance parts with stock, so I can sell them seperately. It has taken me years to fine tune this car into what is considered by all those, who have driven it at the track, to be a dream of balance, predictability, and fun factor. To throw that out to make a few kroner more over all is not something I wish to do.