Orca Kills trainer...

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I always thought those trainers were nuts to swim with those things:eek:...

turns out this is this orca's third kill???


msnbc.com
updated 33 minutes ago
ORLANDO - A SeaWorld trainer was killed Wednesday when an orca pulled her into the water as she was talking to visitors.

Orange County Fire Rescue spokesman John Mulhall said paramedics were called to the Shamu Stadium at the theme park resort where they found a worker who could not be revived.

WKMG-TV reported that a witness, Victoria Biniak, said she saw the incident from a viewing area where the orca, or killer whale, is housed.

"The trainer was explaining different things about the whale ... and then the trainer that was down there walked away from the window ... and then Telly (the whale) took off really fast in the tank and he came back, shot up in the air, grabbed the trainer by the waist and started thrashing (her) around," Biniak said.

The theme park was closed shortly after the incident.

WKMG reported Biniak as saying that the killer whale — a 30-year-old, 12,300-pound male orca that also is called Tillikum — does not typically have a trainer in its tank because it is too large.

The same orca was cited in two earlier deaths, according the Humane Society of the United States, which has campaigned to keep marine mammals out of theme parks.

In 1991, the orca, "along with two female (killer) whales, drowned a young part-time trainer named Keltie Byrne at Sealand of the Pacific in Canada," the HSUS stated.

The orcas "weren't trying to kill Byrne, but Tillikum and his orca companions didn't know that humans can't hold their breath as long as whales," HSUS scientist Naomi Rose said.

Tillikum was later shipped to SeaWorld of Orlando, the HSUS noted, and in 1999, "a man who had apparently stayed in the park after closing hours jumped into Tillikum's tank ... He was found dead the next morning, naked and draped across the whale. The man's swim trunks were found in the water, and his body was scraped up, a sign that Tillikum had dragged him around the bottom and sides of the tank."

Killer whales, or orcas, are not actually whales but the largest member of the dolphin family. The name killer whale comes from them being observed as sometimes killing whales for food.

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If I was a killer whale stuck in that water cell, I would start killing too.......
 
My buddy worked with her back when he was a trainer. He had some crazy stories (still does). CNN is already contacting him for an interview tonight. Crazy.
 
My buddy worked with her back when he was a trainer. He had some crazy stories (still does). CNN is already contacting him for an interview tonight. Crazy.

he worked with the trainer that just got killed??? Is that her in Batmans post???
 
I'm not a big fan of putting these animals in captivity. They are apex predators and in the wild they are ruthless hunters. You should see what they do to seals.

Also they have "killer" right in their name. It should come as no surprise.
 
It really is a shame when someone gets killed when working with these animals. On the news they were saying that it is yet to be understood why the whale killed this woman. I don't think there can ever be a reason on why these things happen, however they are wild animals and their behavior cannot always be predictable. If someone doesn't expect to get killed in this kind of job, they shouldn't be doing it for a living.
 
It really is a shame when someone gets killed when working with these animals. On the news they were saying that it is yet to be understood why the whale killed this woman. I don't think there can ever be a reason on why these things happen, however they are wild animals and their behavior cannot always be predictable. If someone doesn't expect to get killed in this kind of job, they shouldn't be doing it for a living.

and at the same time, if someone does expect to get killed in this kinda job, they shouldn't be doing it for a living:tongue:
 
I'm not a big fan of putting these animals in captivity. They are apex predators and in the wild they are ruthless hunters. You should see what they do to seals.

Also they have "killer" right in their name. It should come as no surprise.

not just seals either, they have been known to kick the crap out of great white sharks too:eek:
There was a show on Discovery about it "The Whale That Ate Jaws" Great whites are scared shitless by killer whales...:biggrin:
 
It's kinda "live by the sword, die by the sword" thing. I really wonder if they think about this everytime {or anytime} they go in the water.
 
not just seals either, they have been known to kick the crap out of great white sharks too:eek:
There was a show on Discovery about it "The Whale That Ate Jaws" Great whites are scared shitless by killer whales...:biggrin:

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. People are afraid of sharks but they really should be more afraid of killer whales. They are absolutely brutal predators and have the potential to be way more fierce than devastating than a shark can be. They are one of, if not the most, fearsome creature in the entire ocean. The idea that you would take the most fearsome beasts of the ocean and parade it around doing tricks for entertainment is just appalling. People would freak if you were to try to do tame a shark for entertainment and yet a killer whale is a much more of an apex predator than a shark is. I've never felt that putting them in captivity ever was, or is, a good idea.
 
People actually think these animals are whales! They are an highly intelligent species from the dolphin family. They get their name from the ability to hunt and kill whales.:eek:
 
I have seen a few documentaries on these killer whales and they are one of the smartest predators of the sea. They are able to hunt in packs and communicate with each other on how to do it. They have no set method of attack and can adapt to any situation. I wish I could find the clip where they scope out this seal on a floating piece of ice and a two whale tag team in unison swim up and flip it and get there dinner.

the clip could not be embedded so here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3xmqbNsRSk
 
he worked with the trainer that just got killed??? Is that her in Batmans post???

Yeah, he did back in the day...I know a few of the trainers personally thru Jeff. He was on Anderson Cooper 360 tonight... Jeff Ventre. They had him via phone. He's been out of the scene for quite awhile, but he worked with Dawn back in the 90's from what I gathered talking to him tonight.

I went to school with him... we're really good friends. (I'll be heading down to New Orleans in a month or so to visit him) I've been to the whale research center in the San Juans and seen the J-K-L pods. Jeff sent me the email earlier today when they contacted him to go live via phone...

He was fired from Sea World back in the late 90's for political reasons. (he was a voice for the animals.. didn't agree with how things were run, etc etc... he's finishing up his med school residency as we speak) He was pretty neutral and fair in the interview... which really surprised me.

This is my bro:
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I'm not a big fan of putting these animals in captivity. They are apex predators and in the wild they are ruthless hunters. You should see what they do to seals.

Also they have "killer" right in their name. It should come as no surprise.

They throw seals around like rag dolls. I wouldn't get anywhere near the water with an orca around...

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I am surprised at the "surprised" reaction to a wild animal acting wild while in captivity. These trainers put incredible trust into the animals to interact like this (taken during NSXPO 2006):

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I wonder if the cost to acquire and train these things was the main decision making factor when they decided to keep the whale after the first and second kills. And I'm curious if they keep it after the 3rd kill.
 
Look at RSO 34’s picture again … it’s probably a blast to swim with them when things are going well. I guess whale training is a bit like skydiving or scuba diving in that every now and then someone pays for the rush with their life.

I wanted to throw the penguins minnows but was afraid I’d get pecked to death.
 
Time for a world record Sushi dinner!!! :smile:
 
It's amazing how shocked :eek: we are when an animal turns against us.

They are still WILD animals...even with years of taming and training.

You can teach the whale to learn basic captivity skills. But, you can't teach him how to make educated decisions based on consequences. From training...you get in the tank to play with the whale and he'll play back...he doesn't know you can't hold your breath for hours.

I remember that story about the dolphin that pulled a diver deep under water, it had no clue she couldn't hold her breath that long.
 
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